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Originally Posted by shootin4par you make my head explode. You are on this site, giving all this advice, dont even know the difference between cupped and cocked, by your own admission can only fantasize about being a six handicap, and post the exact same dribble that is not the real root of the cause. A perfect example would be Jbrunk asking about not enough hip rotation and you say his hip rotation is fine. His stance with an iron is too wide and more then likely gets wider with the woods, which too wide of a stance encourages swaying. Another example would be in this thread if the guy has a duck hook you suggest teeing the ball back????? THis guy has said his ball flight is low so OBVIOUSLY it is already too far back, he is coming over the top with a closed club face. So by taking your advice he cam tee the ball back even more so he can go to his sons little league practice and hit them grounders all day for feilding practice. If you truly understand as much as you think you do you would realize MOST ALL SWING FLAWS START AT SET UP, and if you would fix your closed stance among other things you might be able to turn six handicap into a reality. Theo, if you humble yourself you might learn a little something
BTW, Yes I know who he is, he writes a decent book, nothing special, but Hogans book has been considered BY MANY players to be the equal to a golfing Bible. |
Shootin,
I said that cupped and cock are often confused, and I preferred the terms dorsal flexion and radial flexion. You are making interesting assumption that I don't know the difference. However, you are right, late one night I used cocking for cupped since many people don't differentiate the two. Note: I've been the one supplying the pictures, which was my point.
1. John Jacobs has coached Gary Player. Helped Jack Nicklaus get his game together. Started one of the most highly recognized golf schools in the world. He has captained two Rider Cup teams.
"John Jacobs wrote the book on coaching. There is not a teacher out here who does not owe him something."--Butch Harmon. While I admire Hogan, who did he coach to success?
2. You say that a short thumb limits backswing, which is a fantasy out of your own head. A short thumb has a tendency to give more control, but if it was a panacea for a long backswing, it would be universally prescribed.
3. Finally, and I think the most ironic of all, you seem to be claiming that we should all be following Hogan, but Hogan has dorsal flexion of his LEFT wrist at the top of swing. (Or if you prefer, Hogan had his LEFT hand cupped.) This made his club OPEN at the top of his swing and made his right wrist flat. Hogan had such active hands, that he had to start his swing in a severely open condition, have a very weak grip, and still he feared the hook.
Hogan couldn't have even worn "Greg Norman's Secret."
Please whip out your copy of Mr. Hogan's (who I do very much respect) to see his famous left hand at the top. I have attached a picture of the cover if you can't find your book.
Try to remember:
Cerebellum = Motor skills
Cerebrum = Analytical skills
Saying that you are going to simply going to take advice from somebody who has a great swing is a bit like saying that Toyota is so successful because they have racer car drivers desigining cars.
Personally, because I am so freaking poor at golf, I have been forced to actually read every expert rather than just make stuff up.
Theo "That Was Fun" Logic