I studied under John more so then he was my instructor. I met him in October of last year when I was at a course and asked him if he knew of any drills to do with A training aid, called the power release. He then told me that he was the one who made it. I was skeptical of him and THE GOLFING MACHINE at first. John is a nice guy who got out of teaching for the most part and just focused on his training aids. If you look at John he does not look like the golfing "type" He is a biker, has three really nice ones, and actually used to be a member of a rock bacn called dealth cult, kind of creapy name. Me and John got along so for some reason he would talk to me about golf and not charge me but it costs me quite a few pizzas. RARELY did John actually go out to the range and give me hour long lessons in the traditional sense. I talked to him in between customers and then often times we would go out and hit balls on the range after hours. He also gave me home work, reading the golfing machine among other things. I know quite a few of the basic principles of the goling machine. When I had swing issues, which were many at first, I would tape myself and bring it in to him and we would analyze it. I fought him tooth and nail about doing the set up that he wanted, but once I did that many things started falling into place. He is the one who made me realize that set up is where it is at, first fix that and see what swing flaws are left over.

I usually pulled up to the range/course sometime around five and often times would not leave untill 10:30-11:00. I would venture to say over half of that time was not hitting balls but talking with John. I learned more from john in the first 4-5 months of knowing him then I had in five years of golf. In january I went with him to the PGA show in Orlando, where I live, and worked the show in his booth selling his training aids. Check out his site on www.rovergolf.com and see how many instructors use his aids, leadbetter, doyle, hall, smith, mcclean are a few. I Spent 4 days straight within 10 feet of Ben Doyle because he, the golfing machine, and rover golf were all in the same booth. Ben is a GREAT guy, you will never meet a nicer person, maybe someone just as nice, but not nicer. Had one all time classic conversation with Ben where he went from God to leakage with the smoothest of transistions. ALso met Manzella, Tom, and VJ singhs coach Paul is his name I believe. On friday of the show I went to the TGM conference where I met more TGM instructors and also Martin Hall, Very nice guy too

Do you notice that I do not ask many questions on here any more? If I have questions I go to Golfone, John, and manzellas forum but my questions to all those people has greatly dimenished, you can research that and see for yourself. many times I ask them questions to just confirm, but sometimes I still need to learn something.

why dont I quote many golf books, Hogans book is very popular and probably owned by more people then most any other book and I do feel he has a lot of great info. Most average Joes trust Hogan, know of him, and know he had a great swing. I have swing like a pro which I like, pennick which to me is not that great although other people swear by it, pelz but for some reason lost the short game bible which that upsets me, led, palmer, nickaluos, chopra, jacobs, hardy's I saw him in person and if you ever watch the show on the golf channel they focused on me as they were going to commercial it was either the second or third commercial and I was wearing an all white shirt, I can tell you this as well, Jacobson is a pretty funny guy in person, he had the whole crowd making animal noises at the end of the show but they edited that part. I have haney, harmon, McClean, Golf digest book of swing, think like tiger, raising the bar, Tigers book, Tour tempo, afternoons with Hogan among others. I have also bought a few others and returned them to the store. I feel most books are incomplete, which they are because otherwise it would be bigger then the bible. I can now read books and get something out of them because I have learned how to read between the lines. I believe that Golfing machine is the most complete but very hard to read, Glad John interperated it for me.

Like I said, I am done arguing and if you dont believe me that is fine, if I lie to you I am lying to myself. what really matters on this forum is giving sound advice to struggling golfers and there are times when I know things that can help them. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that my advice for Jbrunk is spot on, he is an easy fix even though he is a good player. You can call that cocky, arrogant, fine by me but I call it sound advice. You say you struggle so why dont you post a video or at least a 16 frame swing sequence and lets see if we can turn what you have read into something you can do.