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Re: Shaft Stiffness

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Originally Posted by canadian_man_44
Get your swingspeed checked.
That's one part of the equation, yes.

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Originally Posted by canadian_man_44
If you have too much flex on your shaft for your swingspeed then your clubface will be open when you connect with the ball causing you to slice. On the opposite end of the scale, if your shaft is too stiff the clubface has the tendency to be closed when it contacts the ball causing you to hook. When you have the right stiffness of shaft for your swingspeed then the shaft is straightened when you connect with the ball(not bent forward or backward) and your ball will go straight.
I still don't believe this conjecture to be true. If the shaft is too stiff, you will not load it. If it cannot be loaded, how can it unload (bend forward) through impact? However, you can obviously load a shaft that is too weak. The kicker, though, is that the shaft may never fully unload (causing an open clubface), or with an eariler release, be bending forward with a more closed clubface. I've ran experiments at both ends of the scale - XXX flex long drive shafts and a LL flex. I sliced both of them. Repeatedly. Well, ok, the XXX driver was more like a push fade, while the LL was a wicked slice. My point is that having the wrong flex will accentuate swing flaws - not necessarily cause one ball flight or another.

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Originally Posted by canadian_man_44
Here's a swing speed conversion chart I found online that might help you with your choice of flex. Keep in mind, however, that every shaftmaker is slightly different. Regular flex in one make of shaft might be the same as a stiff flex in another make shaft.

LADIES FLEXDriver speed swing less than 60 mph (100 km/h). Driver carry distance less than 180 yds. Club used from 150 yds. a 3 iron or wood.SENIOR or A FLEXDriver speed swing 60-75 mph (100-120 km/h). Driver carry distance 180-210 yds. Club used from 150yds. a 4 iron.REGULAR FLEXDriver speed swing 75-84 mph (120-135 km/h). Driver carry distance 210-240 yds. Club used from 150 yds. a 5 or 6 iron.STIFF FLEXDriver speed swing 84-93 mph (130-150 km/h). Driver carry distance 240-260 yds. Club used from 150 yds. a 6 or 7 iron.X-STIFF FLEXDriver speed swing over 93 mph (150 km/h). Driver carry distance 260+ yds. Club used from 150 yds. a 8 or 9 iron
Hope this helps.
While the yardages seem close, the corresponding swing speed measurements are off. Sorry. Way off. Using trajectory software, an average-weighted clubhead (200g) swung at 93 mph with a level angle of attack and a 16° driver produces a carry distance of 218 yards. With a +2° angle of attack, our golfer gets 2 more yards, at 93 mph.

However, if you're carrying the ball (that's all air travel, boys and girls)260 yards, assuming a 10° driver and a level angle of attack, you're swinging in the 112-115 mph range. You're also probably swinging your 5 iron 90+ mph. Now you should be considering xstiff shafts.

Personally, I use a 10.5° driver, average a 100 mph swing speed (give or take 3 mph), have a +2.6° angle of attack, and average 240 yards of carry (give or take 5 yards).

To further confuse the issue, there are the folks that are anomalies. The guy with the 90mph driver swing speed, who absolutely nuts the X flex driver, but sprays the R flex. The guy who plays X stiff irons that are shorter than standard, but cannot seem to control anything weaker. They're out there, you may be one. But they're tough to find (and even tougher to fit!).

Now, jayryan, the other thing you have to figure out when you go in for your driver fitting is where on the sliding scale of distance vs control do you want to be? Do you want to buy a little fairway finder? Or do you want to be the longest guy in your foursome (possibly at the expense of your accuracy?) You need to answer this question for yourself. Most guys pick somewhere in the middle, with a lean towards distance. The normal 'fix' for that is to increase loft while keeping the length the same.

Along with swing speed, how you swing is another component in selecting the shaft for your driver. If you're really smooth, you can use less flex. If you tend to really 'hit' at the ball, or go at it aggressively from the top, usually you can use more flex.

Canadian_man, can you post the URL of the website? I'm curious to see what else they have posted
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