Thanks for all the suggestions have tried all of them. I even have another that I had alot of success with and got spin on the ball. It isn't for the faint of heart.
Take a high bounce club, SW or LW, lay it open, position the ball middle or forward slightly, choke down alot, focus on a spot under the ball pick the club steeply and deliver it crisply to the point under the ball. I try to almost hit the hosel on the ball. The ball will pop up in to your face almost and you can see the spin it lands soft and stops. Like I said I am driving the heel down into the rough and almost think I am going to shank it, but a deliberate steep inside move stopped me doing that. The lenght of swing is the distence you need to carry to the spot you want it to land. Again thanks for the replies.

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