There could be so many things. If you've got the functionality to put a swing video of yourself on here it would be a huge help. I wish I could do it too. Hoping to get a PC literate camcorder for Xmas. Then I could post my swing on here so we could see what I'm talking about. Not that I think my swing's the greateset, but I like it!

I found that my choppyness (is that a word??!) came from being too narrow. This was probably born out of the whole "wide to narrow backswing to downswing" thing. Truth is, I didn't need to conciously move to narrow my downswing and get lag. It happens naturally. Adding width to my swing was a main concern. I was hitting the mat at the range so often. Even with a 3-wood off the deck. Just a big thud. Horrid. I'd take short fat divots on the course too.

I noticed the other thread you've started today and it may be that I'm talking about stuff that belongs in there. I'll carry on here though cos I've started, so I'll finish

I treat body turn and arms swing as two separate entities. I think I hinted at this earlier in this thread. David Leadbetter always tries to convey the swing as the synchronous blending of body turn and arms swing. That, to me, says they are separate. I believe Mr Leadbetter! For my swing it's all about getting the right movements in the right order. My arms are the first thing to move - as a unit - no wrist cocking etc. My left hand gets past my right thigh and then my torso starts to rotate against my hips. I suppose I could say my body kinda pulls my hips round. If I'm gonna keep maximum torsion between top and bottom half, conciously moving my hips reduces it.

To help my arm swing continue in the direction on which it has started (low and wide) I put a club down across my toes and think of swinging my hands straight along that line whilst my body continues to turn. Still no concious wrist cock. This should lead your hands to be outside the clubhead in the mirror (if there is one where you practice!).

Once I get halfway back I'm settling my weight into the inside of my right foot and resisting hip turn. This might be why I overswing sometimes. My hips go. If they go, my body could go all John Daly! To keep my swing wide, on plane and as short as possible I have to cup my left wrist. Works for me. Cupping keeps my stronger grip square. My grip isn't what I would term completely strong, but it is stronger than neutral. Personally I get laid off at the top if I have a flat left wrist and this also leads to me over swinging. In comparison to how I used to swing (flat as a pancake) it feels like my club is over my head. As long as my hands are not behind my shoulder in the mirror, then that's fine.

My full wrist cock doesn't happen until I start down, sometimes not until my belly, really maximising the lag. I don't make a concious effort to drop my hands/arms, I just swing through the ball with no effort in my wrists. The key to creating my lag and maintaining clubhead speed is what somebody else in this forum referred to as "posting up" on the left leg. A good term. unless I move toward standing on my left leg, I lose balance. Also, this shifts my centre back toward the ball (having turned behind it fully) and hence narrows the downsing arc. Kinda logical really. As long as I keep my balance, I can rip the club through as hard as I like with my arms (not my hands!). If I don't keep my balance, the ball could go anywhere! Sometimes "keep your balance" is a good swingthought for me. It's not technical or limiting and focuses on a very important part of my swing - the stability.

Wide fluid arm swing against a small compact body turn works for me.

Ok, my fingers are bleeding and I'm hungry.....................God I go on don't I???