shootin for par thanks for yur post. the reason that i know about my spine angle is that i have a swing analysis program that i use with my video camra and computer i can draws lines ect and analyse my swing i draw a line along my back at address to represent my spine angle and i can maintain that angle all the way till about half way in to my down swing then i can clearly see my body rising above the line its so obvious im right out of the shot at impact as i said i dont know how i can play to an 8 handicap with that impact position