What are the prime generators of swing speed?

Charles,

That's fine then if we agree that the lower body is not a prime generator of swing speed.

I only stated the hands slow down due to COAM in response to your statement "I guess the question remains ... why do the pros slow their hands down near impact ... must be to put all their power into their wrist." I didn't really want to transgress into this subject.

hi Brian
is it that the pro's do slows there hands down or is it the the club head passes the hands and is no longer accelerating as it was when trying to catch up with the hands. once the club head passes the hands is it not that the hands that follow the club and that why they slow. i have looked at some clips of Tiger and i don't see that hands slowing till well after the impact zone.
if you look at pictue 2 then you see the right elbow comes in sharp against the body and is ahead of the right hip this drops the hands and has the club head lagging way behind, it that move that generates the club head speed and then the right hip drive to the target keeping the right elbow ahead of the right hip.
i think with most pro golfers there belt buckle it more to the target than in picture 4. and there is more turn at impact.
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bill

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I believe that in your answer you put the wrong causal direction of the COAM interaction ... cart before the horse ... so to speak.

Hi Bill,

As I was saying to Charles this was not what my OP was about but while we are on the subject the following may help show what happens:

Photo E. Conservation of Angular Momentum proved with multiflash photography. Notice how far the cuff on the player's left wrist travels from one flash to the next in area A, and how the cuff images draw closer together, overlapping, in area B (indicating a decline in speed of the hands), just before the club hits the golf ball. In area B momentum is feeding out of the arms and into the club, causing it to catch up to the hands as they move to a position opposite the golf ball. The player was one of the game's longest hitters, Jimmy Thomson.

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I don't believe I did but again we digress from my original post. I think further discussion on COAM if necessary should be part of another thread.

hi Brian
very interesting picture but to me it don't look like a slowing of the hand it looks more like a slowing of the left arm too, if you look at both the hand and arm you will see the arm look to be slowing, the only thing wrong is the picture is taken at that angle and you can be mislead as the hands are traveling at an angle on the down and upswing but square between the feet. it would show better if you were higher looking down in the the circle of the golfers plane and taking that with multi-flash.
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bill

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Bill,

If the hands slow then I guess the arms must slow with them. The idea is that momentum is transferred to the club as it releases it's lag. Hmm, I seem to be getting myself into a whole different subject here.

Not really, just one part of the prime generators of swing speed ... release ... and when it should occur to maximize swing speed ... sounds like the same topic to me.

OK Charles, feel free.

Hey

I might be getting myself into something that not need be, as I have been reading some of this thread, and alot of it is more than I want to get caught up in.

But, Is alot of this stuff more or less the unhinging of the right elbow? When folks say hands and arms I get kinda confused.

Mine are not.

No, it's not about that.

My thoughts are addressing the issue 'What parts of the body generate most swing speed'. I feel there is a lot of confusion put out when people are taught that the legs, hips and torso generate most speed. In my opinion most speed is generated by the arms and hands, if more people understood this they would not suffer as much with golf related back problems. It would also simplify the learning process.

The latter part of the thread is addressing the way the hands tend to slow down through and after impact as momentum is passed from the body to the club.

Dawg! arms are the long lifty bits and the hands are the small grabby bits

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