is it in my head?????

i recently read an article in golf digest concerning the lie angle of the club and your divots. i noticed that i have been digging deep at the toe end and found that to prevent this i had to angle my wrists up at presentation in order to try to get the club edge to lie flat. but during contact it wouldn't matter the swing force would seem to make my wrists drop back down. its like at presentation, my arms form a straight line from the shoulders, then there is a 10 degree angle or cock(away from the body) made at my wrists which then leads straight down shaft to the ball. so this felt weird during the back swing and must be correcting itself on the down swing as i would dig this deep divot at thetoe.. i got fitted for ping i3+ and they gave me one inch longer clubs with a two degree correction(white). i think there is only two more color grades available. anyway, during the testing with the tape and standard length I must have been compensating,not sure,but after all this, i notice that i still have to cock my wrists with the 7 iron or smaller. the 8, and9 and sw seem ok. any suggestions.??? or is this in my mind?

thanks
pat

Pat,

A few things to look at:

1. Take a setup without a club, have a friend put a club shaft on your spine and see that you are not slumping your shoulders in toward the middle of your chest.

2. From this position, let your hands hang from the shoulders in front of your body with no tension. This is where your hands should be at address. Pushing your arm out creates tension and the toe out position your seeing.

3. Your statement, "It must be correcting itself on the way down," is correct. The setup must be done properly, because the body will revert to it's natural position on the downswing. Try the setup drill in the left column of he home page to get you on track. You will find yourself in a correct although probably not relaxed position in the begining. The setup is 80% of the swing, the other 20% is taking it back and bringing it through with no compensations.

Please reply back with more questions or comments,

GolfBald

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myarms to do hand straight down, i just meant they are straight hanging down, so i do have to cock the hand out. from here the onlyway for me to get the club edge even on the grass is to squat further down. my body,arms and club make the form of a Z or an l\ i wonder why they dont make so there like: /\
/ l / l
but i wlll check my positure.thanks.

pat

i spent a lot of time drawning stick figures and they got messed up when i posted them

pat

Pat,

Can you post a digital picture or video in the Video Gallery? A pictures worth a thousand words!

GolfBald

dont know if those inserts will work,hope so.

now another question: i learned to play when i was 14, 40 years ago with my parents blades and woods ((real woods with metal face plate) but havnt played since then. i dont remember having a problem hitting the 3 or 5 woods then, but gees i bought these new off brand clubs that had dr, 3w, 5w, 7w. back then i dont thnk they had offset woods or irons. what the heck is this? and how do ya hit a 5w that is angle back to the center of your stance with your hands over your left thigh. it seems to add another angle of difficulty to the game?

or am i holding these wrong too. and forget the 7w, the set back on it is really extreme.

thanks

pat

Pat,

They do make a swing like the top illustration, it's called Natural Golf. It's a single axis swing.

The setback is called offset. They are suppose to help beginners.

GolfBald

thanks golfbald

i had never heard of this. after your insight i looked it up on the net, seems there is a lot of stuff out there. but i guess its too unconventional or not time tested. i couldnt find where the guy Moe who has a web sight on it and won all those events used it,or created it after he retired.

I am not an engineer, but it seems plausable. with the classic swing, the harder one swings the more one would be trying to resist centrifical forces to remain in form. if the force was high enough it seems to me that it would eventually cause ones arms, wrists, and club to come in line. maybe this is the challange?

thanks
pat

Pat,

I patterned my swing after a Dr. Michael Austin. He uses the best of both swings I think. The setup is conventional, but he uses a forward press to put the swing on a single axis. Keeping the head still and shoulders in a circle around the head the arms act as spokes of a wheel. I can hit a driver in 50*F temps over 300 yards regularly. I've been working on this swing for only 18 month's. As strong of release as it is, it doesn't hurt my back like a conventional swing, just another benefit!

If you need help just ask. That's what we are here for.

GolfBald

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Pat,

There was a guy that works for the golf channel now named Jerry Folse. Good golfer, tried to use Moe Norman's swing on the Nationwide tour. Didn't fair too well. Moe's swing is viable if you have the right equipment, Jumbo grips and setup in the right shaft flex. I've never tried it myself so I can't comment on how it works. Seems like it would be consistantly straight but I don't know about distances.