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Old 05-24-2006, 05:29 PM
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Shaft flexes

can anyone give me some advice about shaft flexes
i am planing on buying a new driver a cobra 440sz but im not sure whether to get a stiff or regular flex any advice would be welcome thanks

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Re: Shaft flexes

What's your hdcp?
What is your max clubhead speed?
What shafts did you have before?
What is your natural shape of your shots on your old driver?
What is the natural trajectory?
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Re: Shaft flexes

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can anyone give me some advice about shaft flexes
i am planing on buying a new driver a cobra 440sz but im not sure whether to get a stiff or regular flex any advice would be welcome thanks

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I'd advise you to take both out for a demoing. Then buy the one you hit better.
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my handicap is 11
dont know my average clubhead speed but my average distance is probably about 280
natural shape is a slice
i hit the ball about a medium height

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Re: Shaft flexes

I have recently bought a new set of irons (Tommy Armour Morphs) in stiff flex. Bear with me here. The kick point in the 3 and 4 iron is set low to help get the ball up and believe me it works.

In your case if you can average 280 with a slice you've obviously got great clubhead speed so I would say to you to try stiff shaft with low kick point to see if it suits you. The stiff shaft should help straighten you out a bit.

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my handicap is 11
dont know my average clubhead speed but my average distance is probably about 280
natural shape is a slice
i hit the ball about a medium height

adam
Get the X flex.
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I havent seen any X flex only reg or stiff
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Re: Shaft flexes

Best go stiff, then, although I think it'll be too weak.
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What do you mean by it will be too weak???
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By the way i forgot to mention i am 15 years old. i thought i had better tell u that just incase that may make any difference to which you think i should get
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Re: Shaft flexes

Have patience, young man.

Not everybody reads the forum everyday, and some of us read every day, but not every post. (Like me, for example).

Let's talk about specifications, shall we?

The wonderful thing about golf club equipment is that it has no idea who the user is. It has no idea what their abilities are. It simply responds to the forces applied to it.

Now:

You've given the following golf equipment related information:

Swing Speed is unknown.
Average Distance is 280 yards.
Trajectory is medium.
Natural shape is a slice.

Now, as a clubmaker/clubfitter, I still wonder, empirically, what is the definition of a medium trajectory? (I have yet to get an answer on this). Anyway, I digress. Some other important information that's missing from the equation is what the current setup of your driver is (length, loft, shaft flex, make and model). I'll assume, being 15 (pertinent, but ultimately useless) that you currently swing an 'R' Flex driver. That's about the best we have to work with, information-wise, to date. OK then.

Let's address some current logic. Current shaft logic tells us that too weak a shaft will give you the hooks, while too stiff a shaft will give you the slices. The logic is that the weak shaft kicks harder, closing up the face long before impact, making you hook. Conversely, a stiff shaft doesn't kick at all, leaving the face open, and making you slice. Make sense? I don't think so. So I propose another theory:

Being in the wrong flex (regardless of whether it's stiffer or weaker) will exaggerate swing flaws.

Now, I don't have much testing other than in the way of my own personal trial and error. Case in point:

I'm using a Wishon 515GRT head, 10.5° actual loft. The comparitive shafts are Aggressive nRAGE 78 shafts, one in S, and one in X. I have a 105 MPH swing speed with a 45" driver. This puts me in the S range for the nRAGE, according to static information. I slice this driver. The conventional logic suggests that the shaft is too stiff for my swing speed, and I should move down to an R flex. Going against this logic, I installed the X flex shaft. Same head. Same grip. Same length. My ballflight is now straight-to-draw. What changed? Stiffer shaft. Conventional logic should have had me losing balls to the right even harder. I'm actually half tempted now to grab an R flex, and see what happens.

Now, after enjoying that story, you can see why I would suggest and X flex for you. My carry distance is 250 yards with this driver. (It's only 44" long). Since you seem to get 30 yards more, then it would seem like X flex is what you need. The other reason I recommended X flex is that as a general rule of thumb, the OEM companies stock shafts play weaker than the flex listed on them. In other words, your X probably plays more like a strong S, and your S probably plays more like an R.

So, while you may see your slice reduce after buying the S flex Cobra, I think it'll reduce even more if you buy a different shaft - an aftermarket shaft.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Shaft flexes

at the moment i am swinging a taylor made 300 series that has a tour
S-90 think this means stiff with an 8.5 loft (which is my main reason for changing driver as i have heard that if i get something with a higher loft the ball will go straighter).

i found your advice useful although a little comlicated but what do you mean by aftermarket shaft?
sorry for all the questions but this will be the first driver that i buy myself with my own money and i want to make sure i get the right setup so that i do not waste my money

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Re: Shaft flexes

Hi adam2,

it depends on your swing speed 85-95mph is a regular 95-105 is a stiff shaft
steel or graphite is your choice

i hope you get the right shaft,

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Re: Shaft flexes

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as i have heard that if i get something with a higher loft the ball will go straighter).
not nessasarily.... the loft does effect accuarcy, but indirectly

the more back spin you have the straiter it will go because the more backspin the less sidespin and the lessbackspin the more sidespin affectcs it. but too much backspin and the ball will balloon up killing your distance. i wouldn't reccomend anything over 5,000 rpms.


and the irons have higher loft and go striater but that is not because of the loft, it is because of the backspin and because of the steeper swing path. the flatter the path the more an off-hit goes bad.
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