nine shots in golf

finding out the fault in your swing is helped by knowing the nine strikes in golf.
Sraight
fade (these 3 are the ones you want.)
draw

pull hook
hook
pull (the ones you dont want.)
push slice
slice
push

Check out the attached link. It helps to describe them all.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/golf/skills/4245518.stm

Also; the pull slice and push hook.

Don't forget the forgotten 2: the weak fade or draw - where it doesn't make it back to the target line.

you forgot the SHANK

Chili dip
Top
Skull
Chunk
Flub
Fluff
Miss
Sky
Lob
Chip
Pitch

Minemo,I dont even want to think about that one.I remember years ago going on a golf tour with my pals to the north area of England.It was my first time to go with them.When we arrived at a club called Formby,they said when you go to the locker room,close your eyes when you wash your hands.Of course I was curious,on washing my hands i saw "SHANKS" the makers name on the sink.Did I go on to shank? yes,first par three,much to the delight of my 4 3 partners.

It's funny how one little word strikes so much fear is so many people, and how saying that word makes it happen. A good buddy of mine has a problem with those pesky dead right shots on occation. He was telling me a story about how on a 125yrd par three he hit the ball dead on the hosle and it went across a road and into an open garage. The guy next to play did the exact same thing. So now when we play that hole, all I have to say is garage and he hit a huge pull hook (left on that hole is not very good either). I don't do it all the time cause he would get used to it. But it's funny.

Just to let yall know, we have been doing that to each other since the first time we played together... we were partners together in a tournament. He gave me ****, I gave him ****, and we have been doing it since then. He gives just as good as he gets. We don't get too mad, so it's fun. And we don't do it to anyone else, that would be rude.

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http://www.tutelman.com/golfclubs/ballflight.php?ref=

I knew this was out there somewhere.

Kills 2 debates in one : the 9 shots (left to right, right to left, and straight bending from pull, push, and straight swing paths); and also clears up the debate over which has more influence - swing path or clubface angle at impact.

This guy (Dave Tutelman) blows my mind. I love reading his site (and I often have to read stuff over and over to get it).

Thanks for the heads up on the Tutelman site LP, looks great.

Seems now I will be spending some time reading these articles as well. If the one about the 2002 US Open at Beth Page Black is anything to go by...

Cheers

LowPost: This is amazing.

EVERY diagram I've ever read (we have a couple on Golf-Tuition-Online I think) says the ball starts in the direction of the swing / shaft and tends to curve in a direction determined by the amount the clubface is open or closed. Because of this, everyone is so concerned with their swing plane etc. When in fact (as per the argumants on the website you've linked to) it's the clubface that sends the ball in a direction (DUH!) and it's the swing / shaft that determines the spin factor.

I'm ashamed to admit it but my instructor has said EXACTLY this all along. I wouldn't belive it because I read everywhere else the exact opposite of what he said.

His drill to demonstrate his hypothesis was to use a putter and show how you can send the ball in the same direction based on the club face direction, the path of the swing had very little influence.

Have you ever wondered to yourself why golf is so difficult and why everyone has the same problems (slicing off the tee for instance)? Maybe it's because the information we have IS WRONG!

Just a thought. And THANKS FOR THE LINK, AMAZING!

Lads, I'm just the messenger. James - it sounds like your coaches putter demonstration would be all the 'real world' view I'd need to see to buy this theory.

Think about hitting a ball with the palm of your hand. No matter how you swing your arm, the main direction of the ball will be wherever your palm is facing.

Oh please, the face is still open to path, or closed to the path. Speed that putter upto 100 mph and see what happens. of course the ball in the putter drill follows the face putting angle with a putting stroke, the face angle has more influence then path at that speed, won't hold up when path energy is added in a swing.

In car driving 5 mph turn the wheel to the right all the way as far as it goes, car turns right immediately, now do it going 100 mph, guess what, it's going forward for a ways flipping over until it stops, but it ain't going turn like it did at 5 mph.

note: If your instructor is telling you, face angle has more to do with the initial direction then path, don't walk away from that idiot, RUN.

Here is something else on this web page nosense, this guy can't even keep his own pictures straight, below I took his diagram and paired it down to just down the line swing path with open and closed face. Would it not stand to reason down the line left or down the line right (path) should all be the same, then why is his left and right different from his down the line view. Who ever this guy is on this web page needs to go back to college, because his physic professor is gonna slap him over this bit of fiction.

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Let's get those pics approved, so I can see the paredness.

All of Dave's pics are accurate - the one on the left is clubface relative to target, the other is clubface relative to path.

But lets not take Dave Tutlemans word on the swing path/face angle issue (which, to refresh, is that face angle is the greater determiner of initial ball direction). Let's ask Tom Wishon. TWW doesn't actually post in this thread, but Matt Mohi does (Tom's right hand man).

Sorry Navy - I think that you're about to be re-educated.

FA > SP. Whether at 5 mph or 105 mph.

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