Are 4 magic moves magic?

lynchjo · #**121** (**permalink**) 06-04-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by biglol

Hi all

I gave the wrist break move of this method a try today on the practice ground. I'm a decent player, 7 handicap but i've been struggling for a fair while now to find the slot at the top. This has caused me a lot of grief and made me become wrist concious, which is disastrous really.

I started out practising and was hitting it pretty average and getting frustrated, then i remembered reading this thread and decided to give it a go.

The results were astounding to be honest. I'm not breaking my wrists in the manner described straight away in the swing, but as part of the takeaway which felt smoother, probably after the clubhead has moved 18 inches or so.

Right away the club dropped straight in to the slot at the top, giving me that feeling i could unwind as fast as i like (within reason) and producing a full release of the clubhead through impact through to a full finish, which is something i've not been able to do for ages particularly the release.

The ball really flew, and i mean flew. It was such a good feeling i was laughing out loud. I still hit some dodgy shots, but the misses were much better and the well timed strikes were as good as i've ever hit it. I started with a wedge, then a 7 iron, then i lost a few balls in the hedge at the bottom of the practce ground after using my driver which doesnt happen often. I was out there for three hours in the end it was so much fun.

I'm playing in a comp tomorrow and i'm going to try and use the move on the course, although i'll definately need more practice at it i cant wait to give it a try out there.

I know what you mean about "laughing out loud" - that's exactly what I did when I learnt the early backward wrist break. Your suspicion this move allows you to drop the club into the slot is spot on....

And this is only the first of the 4 magic moves...

wiko · #**122** (**permalink**) 06-04-2009, 11:00 PM

hi interesting post on joe dante, book tried this move seems to bring move fluidity to the swing....will try the your excellent advice on wrist brake further through the swing could you expand on your first post..many thanks

catsass · #**123** (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 06:25 PM

Hey All,I am new here and have found your thread on Joe Dante.I have used the 4MM method for over a year,my ball striking has never been better,till this year. I have started pulling everything left hard or have hooked everything off the planet.I have reread the book again,but I cannot get the feeling back that I had last year with this swing method,Can anybody Help?

rotator · #**124** (**permalink**) 06-10-2009, 11:04 PM

Hi catsass,

You may be lifting your arms up, instead of using your shoulders to rotate your shoulders and torso around your spine, and taking the arms back on plane. You may think you are turning your shoulders, because the shoulder comes under your chin, but you may find that you are getting there by lifting the arms (basically above your head). If you do that with the early wrist break, the face will be severely closed at the top. Also, from the top of backswing position as above, you will surely come into the ball with an outside to in swing. Depending on the face being square or closing with the out to in path, you will dead pull or hook.

Ted

lynchjo · #**125** (**permalink**) 06-12-2009, 04:59 PM

What I have found with the early backward wrist break is it puts your golf swing on plane very early in the backswing. Conventional golf wisdom has you break the wrists late in the backswing, forcing you to re-route the club during the downswing to get on plane.

One thing I immediately noticed as I learned the early backward wrist break was the club felt "lighter" as I swung - an indication my golf swing is more on plane and not fighting the laws of physics.

Nick Faldo claims this one magic move helped him win his 6 majors.

Play well.
--John

catsass · #**126** (**permalink**) 06-19-2009, 03:59 PM

Hey,Could anybody that knows the 4MM golf swing post a video from start to finish? and also is anybody getting any lower back pain issues with this swing?I am.

JaySpin · #**127** (**permalink**) 06-21-2009, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by catsass

Hey,Could anybody that knows the 4MM golf swing post a video from start to finish? and also is anybody getting any lower back pain issues with this swing?I am.

I'm nowhere near brave or secure enough to post myself in cyberspace in any form. I'm not sure any 4MM video exists, curiously enough even the purveyor of this method does not seem to have anything up demonstrating this swing.

As for pain, quite the opposite for me. It relieves the back pain I used to have. Perhaps try setting up a little more upright with a taller posture through the swing.

lynchjo · #**128** (**permalink**) 06-22-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by catsass

Hey,Could anybody that knows the 4MM golf swing post a video from start to finish? and also is anybody getting any lower back pain issues with this swing?I am.

Here's a video which shows the the first magic move in detail (early backward wrist break).

Tap Here To Watch Video

Hope this helps.

--John

catsass · #**129** (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 07:46 PM

Lynchjo, I already know how to make MM1 wrist break.I read all that in Joe Dante"s book.I am not wanting to buy Andy Brown"s verson,of the book.All I asked is there somebody out there that can post what the swing is supposed to look like.I am trying to get the feeling back that I had last year with the swing.I don"t think I am lifting my arm"s as bad, but I am trying to see if I am getting shoulder turn right. That" it. Thanks

catsass · #**130** (**permalink**) 07-30-2009, 11:03 PM

Rotator, Thanks for the tip,I took some time off to let my back heal a bit,reread book over and over,then I had my wife watch me swing and make sure I turned my shoulders and not lift my arms.Walla swing never felt better,thanks again.also if you lift arms with this swing you will be out to lunch and wonder why?

Mike420 · #**131** (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 01:08 AM

Just tried MM1 and wow that feels wrong. Should the club face be closed at the half way stage if i'm doing it correctly? Although if i'm doing it right it does feel a very easy way of setting yourself at the top.

catsass · #**132** (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 01:25 AM

Mike 420,The best way I can describe it is that after you make the thumb press right,you will not be able to see any of the club face at almost waist high. so I guess it is somewhat closed.I am by far no xpert! keep asking questions tho, somebody will chime in and try and help, that is how we learn.If you look up the thread a little you will see I was yanking and pulling all over the place and ROTATOR gave a great tip to look at, I did and it worked,I was baffled I took time off, practiced the tip it worked.

Mike420 · #**133** (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by catsass

Mike 420,The best way I can describe it is that after you make the thumb press right,you will not be able to see any of the club face at almost waist high. so I guess it is somewhat closed.I am by far no xpert! keep asking questions tho, somebody will chime in and try and help, that is how we learn.If you look up the thread a little you will see I was yanking and pulling all over the place and ROTATOR gave a great tip to look at, I did and it worked,I was baffled I took time off, practiced the tip it worked.

Thanks, I think i've got it after watching that video. I'm going to give it a go at the range. It does cut out the variables in the back swing.

rotator · #**134** (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 02:44 AM

Hi Mike,

As I said to catsass, there is a tendency to make the early wrist break and then to lift the club up with the arms. You may think you are turning your shoulders, but if you really look closely at it, you will see your shoulders may turn as you lift your arms, but your torso has not turned along with the shoulders. Without turning the shoulders and the upper body will result in you retaining that closed face at the halfway back position to the top of the backswing. If you turn the shoulders and torso, the face will open to a square position, without you having to manipulate the solid wrist cock you initially attained.

Ted

Mike420 · #**135** (**permalink**) 07-31-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rotator

Hi Mike,

As I said to catsass, there is a tendency to make the early wrist break and then to lift the club up with the arms. You may think you are turning your shoulders, but if you really look closely at it, you will see your shoulders may turn as you lift your arms, but your torso has not turned along with the shoulders. Without turning the shoulders and the upper body will result in you retaining that closed face at the halfway back position to the top of the backswing. If you turn the shoulders and torso, the face will open to a square position, without you having to manipulate the solid wrist cock you initially attained.

Ted

Thanks I think that's a key point and i've tried lifting my hands and I can see how the closed club face is maintained. You can also a feel a lot of resistance in the upper body. I think i'm doing it correctly as my club looks in the correct position at the top, I was just a bit unsure about the takeaway as it was closed which is against everything i'm being taught, but i'll give it a go see how it is. I do like the idea of cocking the wrists and turning the shoulders. Seems so simple.

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