Timing?

LowPost42 · #16 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 11:03 PM

If it makes you feel better, Mox, your stats are in line with your handicap.

I know it doesn't make ME feel better, though.

golfinguy28 · #17 (**permalink**) 08-30-2007, 11:16 PM

ya... i don't know if the watch is good or not, but i CAN tell you that there is no way they can measure swing speed on it accuratly, unless i am misunderstanding it, and you put the watch on the gruond right by your ball and it works like that. But if it is on your wrist... NO WAY it can tell your swing speed.

Mox · #18 (**permalink**) 08-31-2007, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by golfinguy28

ya... i don't know if the watch is good or not, but i CAN tell you that there is no way they can measure swing speed on it accuratly, unless i am misunderstanding it, and you put the watch on the gruond right by your ball and it works like that. But if it is on your wrist... NO WAY it can tell your swing speed.

I suppose you're right.

It can't MEASURE your swing speed, but it can ESTIMATE it based on 3 accelerometer readings and some calibration data like the length of your clubs and an index-number basically representing the length of your left arm.

When tested on a launch monitor, the watch was at no point outside a 2% deviation from the launch monitors readings, and the watch was constantly on the low side, so it's not even plus or minus 2%, ONLY minus 2%
.

But look at the Apple iPhone to see what is being done with accelerometers. It's not all that impossible, and the rest is just advanced mathematics.

golfinguy28 · #19 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 07:23 AM

ah touché ..... didn't know you could input differnt variables for club length ect, not bad. sounds pretty cool now hehe thanks for the info

bampot · #20 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 11:18 AM

Toy is the operative word. Me?, Iv'e settled for a Rolex.

beanocomic · #21 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mox

Hi Beano.

Yes - I'm still using the watch when practicing, and I'm still happy with it.

At the moment I'm working on my swing with my local pro - trying to get a more inside path to the ball, and I can use the watch to check if I'm on track. If my takeaway and backswing is "correct", I will be unable to rotate more than appx 155 degrees, but if I get it wrong, my hands and arms collapse and my backswing goes to 180 degrees (sometimes even more

).

I can also see a substantial increase in clubhead speed (but you can of course just look at how far the ball goes for that).

Apart from that, I of course use the consistency test - but due to the swing change, I'm not all that consistent at the moment. From a value point of view, I think the test-mode is the most important tool.

I usually go to the range - stretch and warm up - hit 10-15 balls with a 6 or 7 iron - take a 10 shot test - then hit maybe 100 balls contiously working on whatever change is on the agenda and using the practice mode - then take another 10 shot test, hoping to improve on the first.

I'm playing off 22.4 at the moment - not a big improvement over last year, but I've spent a lot of time working on my swing this year and getting back to level, and I'm definately hitting it a lot better and more consistent now than last year, scoring a lot better on average, despite not breaking my best score by much.

I still find a lot of motivational value in the G6. I still look forward to switching it on, every time I go practice. And after having it calibrated and tested on a launch monitor with fairly good results, I'm confident in the information it puts out.

Only thing that annoys me is the lame PC-software that just isn't up to modern standards. The data format is XML though, so with a bit of programming skills it should be easy to get more from the data. So easy, in fact, that I'm deeply dissapointed that Suunto haven't done a better job at it.

The same goes for the community site at SuuntoSports - a great idea, but poorly executed - and nobody uses it. A shame, really.

If only ...

I haven't looked into the "Tour Tempo" stuff - not books, CDs, tapes, beeping gadgets or anything. But I HAVE tried to calculate the Beats Per Minute of my swing and picking out tracks on my iPod to help with in practice. I found that insanely annoying.

Perhaps I should just read the book.

In 54 "games" I have used 4619 shots. I wish I could say that it was an average of 85,53 shots for 18 holes, but sadly, some of those games were only 9 holes

I get up-and-down only 2% of the time (chipping and pitching sucks, but putting is the main culprit), 6% sandsaves (SUCK), 87 GIR (11% - thats only twice per round), 150 Fairways (26% - better than it feels at the moment

) and 1653 putts (averaging 2.04 per hole).
All that data is from the "History" mode.

Let us know how you get on - and be sure to ask if you have questions, even the stupid ones. I'll happily provide stupid answers.

Thanks for your update.

I agree that the watch has given me the opportunity to analyse the various components of my swing. Which overtime will hopefully identify what needs to be addressed. I have found the Tour Tempo tones (provided on a CD with the book) help the swing Tempo and Rhythm. Back swing length and the Club Head speed (estimated by the watch) give the other components.

I agree that the Suunto software support and support sites are not very good. I have asked questions about the "consistency index" which they seem unable to understand. Also it is difficult to get the information into a more mathematically manageable form. Perhaps you may have an answer.

Test Mode and consistency.
The lower the index the better the consistency but how do each of the parameters TRBS contribute to the index? Incidentally have you noticed that the deviation in the PC swing analysis is given in the appropriate dimensions on the watch they are given as percentages!! Which leads me to conclude that it is some calculation using the deviation percentages. Can you throw any light on this or since you have many results you may be able to fit these to a formula!!!

Whilst I have used the game scoring I use a Palm/Intelligolf/GPS which I find is a better setup for on course stats and provides a good feedback on shot length etc.

I notice that you mention that you can score Four players? I think I can only do 2 players but it does offer stroke, match and stableford formats.

All in all I think the watch can provide some useful help and hopefully will improve my game.

Regards

Beano

golfinguy28 · #22 (**permalink**) 09-03-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bampot

Toy is the operative word. Me?, Iv'e settled for a Rolex.

huh? who said it was a toy, sounds more like a tool to me. A tool to help improve your game/keep track of how your game is doing.

beanocomic · #23 (**permalink**) 09-04-2007, 07:59 AM

I've had further thoughts on evaluating the swing consistency

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Originally Posted by beanocomic

Test Mode and consistency.
The lower the index the better the consistency but how do each of the parameters TRBS contribute to the index? Incidentally have you noticed that the deviation in the PC swing analysis is given in the appropriate dimensions on the watch they are given as percentages!! Which leads me to conclude that it is some calculation using the deviation percentages. Can you throw any light on this or since you have many results you may be able to fit these to a formula!!!

The Variation summary given on the watch is shown in plus and minus % terms. The calculation of Consistency Index appears to be the sum the Total Variation in each aspect TRLS ie 2x Variation. (allowing for the rounding).

This seems to treat all aspects of the swing measures of equal importance to overall consistency!!

What's your view Mox

Mox · #24 (**permalink**) 09-04-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beanocomic

I've had further thoughts on evaluating the swing consistency

The Variation summary given on the watch is shown in plus and minus % terms. The calculation of Consistency Index appears to be the sum the Total Variation in each aspect TRLS ie 2x Variation. (allowing for the rounding).

This seems to treat all aspects of the swing measures of equal importance to overall consistency!!

What's your view Mox

I think you're right in that every element is equally important - it sums up the "total variation" to give one single value for consistency.

I usually look at the seperate variations more.

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