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Old 03-14-2008, 04:41 PM
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how to get more distance?

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Hi Samson72,

To support the above comments by jbrunk, I think this is what he is referring to:

http://www.newgolfswing.com/newgolfswing05.php

Might help you with jbrunks advice. It's a good one!

Superb original post by the way. That's the sort of info and pictures we need to be able to talk accurately about your swing.

Firstly, you have a lot of good things going on in your swing, and I dare say you can hit a fair ball and play well (short game depending!).

However, for more consistency and more power, might I suggest the following:

Firstly, to compliment the above article about the backward wrist break, study this on how to grip it to get the most from a backward wrist break:

http://www.newgolfswing.com/newgolfswing04.php

You'll find that with this grip and wrist break that there will be a natural tendency to bend your right elbow earlier in the backswing. This is good! At the moment your right elbow stays straight for too long in the backswing, contributing to your long swing as well as a very late wrist cock, which makes your backswing longer still. There's two ways round it. Learn to change your backswing tempo to stop your arms shorter, or cock your wrists earlier. If you can build up some torque in the early stages of your swing, you'll find you practically cannot swing it long without collapsing your legs or subconciously relaxing out of the tension.

Get your right very upper arm connected to your upper right pec early. I bold these because you only want one connection point, rather than the whole upper right arm stuck to your side all through the swing.

The new grip described above will also sort out what looks to be a very open clubface at the top. It's toe is hanging down almost vertical, when really the leading edge of the clubface should be roughly parallel (even slightly shut of) the flat left wrist. You can even see the clubface is slightly open at address.

Consequently, your brain knows about your open clubface due to the way you've gripped the club, and all you can do to square the face to the path is lose the lag early. Square it with the swing path you have and you have a pull, leave it open and you have a slice. Square the clubface with the grip at address and it goes a long way to aleviating all sorts of faults.

I would say, however, you do a sterling job of keeping behind/over the ball despite your open clubface and "early hit". The tendency with your type of action as it is, is for people to get their head too over/infront of the ball, causing even more flipping at the bottom to square the clubface. Not so with you, so:

The only other thing I'd look at for the time being is your mental picture of what you're trying to achieve.

Your comparison photo with Tiger is a good one. In it you can see how he has plenty of spine tilt away from the target in the downswing, but also notice that his shoulders are quite a bit more closed to the target and facing his hands whereas yours are square to open. You're basically stalling your turn to allow the hands to catch up. The earlier you turn your shoulders to the target, the earlier the lag disappears. It's an unstoppable chain-reaction due to how we're connected up in our bodies.

It will feel wierd to begin with, but try (it's hard!) to get away from the tendancy of turning your right shoulder out toward the ball early. Try the thought of keeping your sternum facing your hands during the downswing. Swing your hands down to the ball. Take your time (although I say this, you have what looks to be a very nice rhythm, but when your start keeping your right shoulder back you may have a desire to give it some "oomph"!).

This thought helps me keep my turn synched with my hands, then you can release fully from the shoulders rather than the hands and wrists. A point that will help you with this is getting your right elbow close into your right side (just infront of your rib cage) early in the downswing at the same time you shift your hips - and only your hips - left at the start of the downswing to get your centre of gravity and weight across.

Your elbows will then be closer together through impact and you can hit the ball from the inside with a slowly turning clubface, rather than from the outside with a quickly turning clubface.

In summary:
  • I like your posture and rhythm. Plenty of room to move. You've picked up some good points on your own swing. Always a bonus.
  • Study the grip and backward wrist break text.
  • Compact the backswing with the wrist break, grip and earlier right arm bend.
  • Right elbow in and hips left on the start of the downswing.
  • Stay facing your hands on the downswing. You'll feel like you keep your back to the target longer. Wierd, but trust it!
Not a massive amount to do (it's all geared toward achieving the same thing), despite the long descriptions, but everyone on here knows I like to make sure I say what I mean, and that you understand what I say! You can either try the stuff out or dump it! Plus, I love talking to people about their golf swings! I'm on medication for it.

Please let me know if something isn't clear!

that was some outstanding advice, and the website you gave back it up and made ait a bit more clear for me, so thanks for that find.

I am smashing the ball like 50 yds further with very minimal effort (which is good, don't get me wrong), but since my whole thought process on the backswing and the downswing was changed and the moves I did before to increase clebhead speeed are wrong, I don't know how to give my swings an juice. I hit it far and thats nice, but weather I swing very relaxed or try to kill the ball, I don't get much distance change.

Any advice on how to increase swing speed or get more distance?
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Re: how to get more distance?

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hitting the ball on the sweet spot or very close to it will give you more distance. if you go to the range and put impact tape on the face of your driver you will see just how often you miss the sweet spot and many drivers have a mark above the sweet spot but often that don't line up when you set up to the ball, if you hold the driver where you think its in line with the middle of the ball and then move closer to the ball and look down you often see it about 1/4 of an inch out and most times the ball it out more to the toe. if you use impact tape you can set up so you know how to a-line the mark on the driver with the ball. with me i set up with the makers name across the top of the ball and set the mark of the driver up with the start of the name and not the middle and that way i hit the ball more closer to the sweet spot. i also find the harder i swing the more erratic the marks on the impact tape become.
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Re: how to get more distance?

Hi golfinguy,

Glad you found the post and website useful.

Funny you should mention the desire to crank it up a notch.

There's a film you may or may not have seen called Million Dollar Baby. Clint Eastwood is a boxing trainer who gets harrassed into training a 31 year old woman to become a fighter.

The best piece of advice ever was thrown into one of Eastwoods lines when he was talking to her about using the speed bag, and I quote:

"It's not how hard you hit it, it's how well you hit it"

The same is paramount in golf. If you've got a technique you like, how far you hit it is how far you hit it. If you wanna hit it a bit further, take another club and grip down on it a bit.

I am slowly learning that there is no value in muscling one. Invariably it goes offlne and short.

But then we've all hit the bomb that we want to surpass, so on the next drive we give it a bit more and what do ya know? Fore right!

I did it twice today. Two holes in a row I was concious of the fact that I had absolutely and utterly nailed one without even trying earlier in the round. It was one of those drives where you can still hear the swish of the ball through the air when it's 100 yards away. So I tried these two drives better it by crunching one and giving it a bit extra.

I hit both tee balls OB. Then I relaxed and played to just get it in play and KABOOM! The positions I hit and the rhythm was perfect and I outdid my 17 year old "big hitting" () playing partner by 25 yards.

Stupid game.

I would suggest that if you have truly gained 50 yards, then what more would you like (unless you were only hitting your driver 100 yards to start with!)?

Only other thing to do is lift weights and improve flexibility so that the same technique and rhythm produces more power from your muscles.

Glad you're playing well.
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Re: how to get more distance?

IMO, there are 2 components to increasing distance (all other factors remaining constant): pivot faster and increase lag. I think pivoting faster does increase lag, so maybe that is 1 component. Anyway, you have to learn to pivot faster/harder while maintaining the other components of the swing.

The only way that happens for me is to get in better shape and get more flexible.
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Re: how to get more distance?

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Only other thing to do is lift weights and improve flexibility so that the same technique and rhythm produces more power from your muscles.
Can my weights be flexible please?

Seriously now I can get another 50 yards on my drives by running like the clappers in the other direction after impact.
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Re: how to get more distance?

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I would suggest that if you have truly gained 50 yards, then what more would you like (unless you were only hitting your driver 100 yards to start with!)?
i was hitting my 3w about 170ish very high trajectory, all carry no roll. now, easily 230 with roll to 245ish, much better trajectory. I still dont' have that tour trajectory I want but i think i am getting much closer.

what i am referring too tho is most golfers hit at 80% and that is recommended, but sometimes you like to add some juice if you got a wide open fairway or just to have some fun and juice it up to 100%. my 80% and my 100% is no different.

Thanks for the advice and videos guys i think some of thoose things may help give me a little more juice.

One mental image i have (can't remember where i got it from) is i think of a rope being tied to my right hip and i am playing tug of war. It gets me into my hip vs. on it at the top and lets my hips explode like i am trying to pull off the oppenents arm by pulling and turning my hips as hard as i can, works good for me.

I can't wait to play on a course and see how much my score changes. It has also improved my short game tremendously. the crazyiest thing is how simple a move it is and how well it works (refering to the "magic move" of cupping/bending the right wrist) so that you actaully swing around your body vs fanning it open and swinging the clu around your hands (you can't get much pressure/power that way at all).

that one video is so right about swing speed vs pressure. I think my swing speed has actually reduced about 10-20 mph but i hit is soo much further (i could be wrong, but the club swing through the air now is nowhere near as loud or high pitches whoosing as it was) but i am using that 12' lever vs the 40" lever that ben hogan video talks about, i get alot more power to the ball and swing speed is not that important at all.
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