problems with keeping the club face closed

i havent been on in a while..but i noticed i have a problem fanning the club open at the top...i first noticed that my club head is slighltly open at address probably due to standard fit...(going to get new clubs this week taylor fit).....are there any drills that can help me with this problem....i was also told that i trhow my right shoulder out to compensate for the open club head....sounds like classic OTT....i use to cast but i fixed that problem and now have a new problem...everything else seems cool just the open club head....shots push out to the right

The first place to check is your grip. Try strengthening it a little.

Also, check your alignment, at address lay a club across your chest and check it points left of target.

try keeping the club square thought the whole swing

http://www.newgolfswing.com/newgolfswing05.php

good link on how to do that

I agree with Brian - check your grip as it may be weak.

At the top of your back swing imagine holding a tray of drinks with your right hand (if you right hander). This helped me.

VP

played the other day and found out the difference in feeling with not rolling my forearms and keeping the club facing down as long as possible....

is this how people get the flat left hand at the top ,....

You got it. If you slice the ball, you need to perfect this move, by bending the right wrist straight back at the takeaway and hold that move throughout the entire swing.

I will tell you something that will make it very clear for you to see what you are doing. It also makes for an excellent practice tool.

Take an old club (iron and preferable a 3 or 4 iron as you can see the orientation of the head better) and saw the handle end off with a hacksaw. Make the club about 22" long overall. A real shorty. Now put a new handle on it.

Use this shorty to practice your swing and FOCUS on the club head all the way through your practice swings. You will immediately see if you are fanning the club up in the backswing of if the club head is coming into the impact zone open, closed or whatever. I should market this thing as it is so helpful and a great training tool. The orientation of the clubhead is exactly the same as a longer club but makes it very easy to see what you are doing.

Now use the shorty to work on your swing by monitoring how you come into impact!!

Chessbum.....

i have a rusty club i can do this to....i will try that it makes a lot of sense as you can see closely what your clubhead is doing

You will be amazed at just how easy it is to see how your swing is approaching the impact zone.

Good Luck,

Chessbum...

Damn! I need this for my slow motion practice swings at home. I am sawing off an old club tonight.

I've come to realise that this is my swing. Whatever my hands and arms are doing at the top is how they'll come into impact. In other words, if I open the club going back and it's open at the top, the club will be open at impact. If I keep it square going back and at the top, it will be square at impact.

SO, now my quandary is whether or not to open and then shut the clubface, or keep it shut and keep honing that swing.

Obviously if I'm trying to score, I should be keeping it shut at this point, right?

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This may help a little too:

http://www.golftipsmag.com/video/ins...ing-hoops.html

Sounds good to me. I would like to see what your right elbow does if you keep the clubhead square to the plane throughout. I kinda do things as described in the hoop drill I reference above. Seems the main thing we should avoid is flaring the club open right away.

a friend of mine who is a good golfer and teacher of the game by the knowledge he has showed my how my shoulder goes out and not down the line....when it goes down the line it felt as if on my follow through my right arm extended down the target line.....i dont want to get into manipulating things as other problems will arise.....lately i have been practicing keeping my clubhead closed thourghout the swing and he informed me that if im pulling the ball left(not hooking) is a good thing b/c the head is closed but my right shoulder went out as opposed to staying back....it feels weird but i take that as being right.....my ball flight with my driver and irons were high but are much lower since keeping it closed

by no means am i doing it consistent yet but i think i am going to stay off the course for a couple of weeks and work on this with half swings with all clubs until it feels more natural

I agree with Go Low that Jeff Ritter has some good drills especially for a one plane swing and his hula hoop video explains well the way the right hand should work. I like to focus on the palm of my right hand through the downswing and impact as it mirrors the position of the clubface.