How to Cure Flipping ??!!!

Wider stance makes it harder to turn. So, if you stop turning and slide/thrust the hips forward, you will come from WAY inside with an open clubface (push-fade, push-slice). If you try to save the shot with the arms, you will come over the top with a closed face (pull hook).

For my driver, I set up with the insides of my feet in line with the middle of my shoulders.

I find that I stay with the shot more with a narrower stance. I'm not talking super narrow, just a very athletic position, like I was fielding a ball as a shortstop.

Too wide, hips don't turn right. Too narrow, you don't have enough width to keep balance.

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What's in my bag....
Cleveland VP 2 Blade Putter
Ping Tour Wedges, 54 & 60
TaylorMade rac LT2, 4i thru PW
Tour Edge Exotics Iron-Wood 21* 3i - Aldila NV 90 Stiff Shaft
Ping G5 18* 5 Wood - ProLaunch Blue 75 Stiff Shaft
Ping G5 15* 3 Wood - Aldila NV 75 Stiff Shaft
Cleveland HiBore XL 9.5* - Fujikura Fit-On Red Stiff Shaft

I find that too. Im working at the moment on fine tuning an optimal setup to support that really hard turn from the top

Try this, if you have the room to do it.

Put on a pair of socks, no shoes. Grab your driver. Go into a room that has carpet. Take your normal width stance and have BOTH feet point perpendicular to your target line (big toes point at 12 o'clock). Take your normal backswing.

This all assumes right handed golfer....

What SHOULD happen is your right foot should turn clockwise because you don't have enough traction to keep it stable. Repeat this several time watching how far your foot rotates clockwise. If you see a trend, setup with your right foot in that position.

Now, with your right foot in that position, but keeping your left foot pointing at 12 o'clock, make some full swings. Maybe 50-75% to start. Your left foot should want to rotate counterclockwise. If you see a trend, setup with your left foot in that postion.

I have done this myself. I actually ended up flaring my left foot out to almost 10 o'clock, and my right foot to about 1 o'clock. I feel very balanced and feel I can make easier turns on the backswing and downswing to my follow through. Before, I think my feet were not flared enough, limiting my hip turn.

Everyone is different, some have even foot flares, some have none. All depends on the type of swing and flexibility.

I think the proper flare, spine angle and width are the 3 keys to the correct setup.

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What's in my bag....
Cleveland VP 2 Blade Putter
Ping Tour Wedges, 54 & 60
TaylorMade rac LT2, 4i thru PW
Tour Edge Exotics Iron-Wood 21* 3i - Aldila NV 90 Stiff Shaft
Ping G5 18* 5 Wood - ProLaunch Blue 75 Stiff Shaft
Ping G5 15* 3 Wood - Aldila NV 75 Stiff Shaft
Cleveland HiBore XL 9.5* - Fujikura Fit-On Red Stiff Shaft

I got the "confessions" video and that was interesting.

Admittedly, my pro put me on another tool that has identified some other issues that has really, really helped me. That tool is the Swingyde. This thing has been a Godsend. I found my clubface was open at the top of the backswing and I couldn't get it into position due to my grip. Once I changed that, I can get everything in good position and keep the face closed.

The Swingyde also teaches you to release the club since that is the only way you can get your left wrist into position on the follow through.

Again, I highly recommend the Swingyde for these types of problems.

I'm a new man !!!

Thanks,

R.

Chessbum,

Ditto, my man! Tried the motorcycle drill today at the range and (stop me if you've heard or said this before) the results were astounding. I've battled the pushes and shanks for several weeks, not to mention the fat-thin cycle, and today I hit maybe two pushes out of 75 balls, and no shanks. The rest were either fairly straight or hooked (15 mph hook wind). Mostly crisp contact, only a handful fat (but passably so). Best part was the drill helped me achieve the firm (bowed) impact position of the left wrist that I've been working on for a year. For those who have the flips — and I suspect a lot more golfers than realize do — I highly recommend this drill. Try this before spending money on a gadget that you can't use on the course.

Dear Oufan,

I'm glad the drill helped and thanks for letting me know!!

Good luck,

Chessbum...

Chessbum,
Well, I must have overdone what seemed like a good thing. Last night, I started hitting gouging fat shots, mostly pulls, with an abnormally high ball flight. By "giving the club gas" I must be throwing the club off plane at the start of the downswing and I wind up looping it outside in. Any suggestions?

Chessbum et al,

Well, things went considerably better last night at the range. Apparently I was "giving the club gas" much too early in the downswing. When I waited until my hands were about even with my right leg on the downswing to "give it the gas," I started hitting the ball rather nicely. I still sometimes hit it a bit fat for my taste, but if it goes like last night, it should be all right.

Divots are overrated, in my book. I've read that Byron Nelson picked the ball clean off the ground every time and never took any turf. He had to have had a rock-solid and consistent left-wrist position at impact.