How to Cure Flipping ??!!!

jbrunk · #31 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianW

OK, thanks for your comments.

My main point is that flipping or swatting of the wrists is not necessarily such a bad thing, it becomes a problem when associated with an even worse fault, that of poor pivot and keeping the weight on the trail foot in the downswing. Swatting the wrists is able to enhance club speed if used correctly with a properly stacked swing. Read "The 7 laws of the golf swing" by Nick Bradley. I do not generally promote it though and was merely trying to get the problem into context.

Regarding a one plane swing. I would disagree that the concept is complicated or difficult to learn, what is called "The modern swing" where the club is rotated more around the body and only gets to shoulder high in the backswing is a form of a one plane swing, it is incorporated into many of the top tour pros now: Tiger, Ernie, Veejay and many more use it now as did Hogan. I would go as far as to say it's much easier to learn, low maintenance swing that has less complicated maneuvers and helps to prevent many of the problems associated with using a two plane swing.

I am a great proponent of 3Skills and agree it is a great program for anyone who has become paralysed with the mechanics of swinging a club at a ball.

If you really don't wish to offend me then please don't use analogies like aspirins for cancer, I do not try to offer advice that is IMO and experience unreasonable but I can see that some may not agree with it and that's fine, my advice is given freely and honestly.

I trust you are separating 'rotation' of the wrists vs. flipping/swatting of the wrists. I take flipping to mean the clubhead passes the hands just prior to impact.

chessbum · #32 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 10:39 PM

I agree....FLIPPING IS NEVER A GOOD THING.......

Chessbum....

BrianW · #33 (**permalink**) 07-15-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrunk

I trust you are separating 'rotation' of the wrists vs. flipping/swatting of the wrists. I take flipping to mean the clubhead passes the hands just prior to impact.

Yes, flipping or swatting is where the clubhead passes the wrists prior to impact, the problem is compounded by the weight being on the trail foot.

It is possible to create additional clubhead speed by releasing the forward movement of the wrists at impact. You must be stacked over the ball for this to be effective and it is the typical movement in a one plane swing where the right arm extends as the left arm folds through impact.

jbrunk · #34 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianW

Yes, flipping or swatting is where the clubhead passes the wrists prior to impact, the problem is compounded by the weight being on the trail foot.

It is possible to create additional clubhead speed by releasing the forward movement of the wrists at impact. You must be stacked over the ball for this to be effective and it is the typical movement in a one plane swing where the right arm extends as the left arm folds through impact.

As quirky as Jim Hardy's system is, I do not believe it requires/includes flipping. Even if flipping can increase speed, it increases inconsistency 5 fold. I can't imagine why you believe flipping isn't such a bad thing.

BrianW · #35 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrunk

As quirky as Jim Hardy's system is, I do not believe it requires/includes flipping. Even if flipping can increase speed, it increases inconsistency 5 fold. I can't imagine why you believe flipping isn't such a bad thing.

If you wish to comment on the one plane swing then at least understand it. I have explained a few times now that the forward action of the wrists combined with trying to lift the ball into the air and the weight on the back foot is bad.

I can see that this will be a difficult concept for you to grasp but I will attempt to explain: Many experienced and top golfers use their right hand aggressively through impact, they can actively release the right forearm without loss of control, many amateur golfers swings break down when this is attempted. Erratic swings are often created by hands and forearms being over actively rolled over through impact, some rotation is necessary but the best swings use very little. A powerful release can incorporate the progressive straightening of the the right wrist joint and arm as they deliver the club to impact and the momentum of this action will naturally continue unless it is physically interrupted. The right hand can work under the left after striking the ball and in doing so will keep the clubface square to the target and on optimum plane for the longest possible time.

You may think that this is advocating a swatting action that will hit the ball fat or thin but it is impossible to do this if your body is positioned into the impact area correctly and with conviction. So! I reiterate, it is possible to create substantial power from the right hand and arm by releasing it in this controlled manner.

chessbum · #36 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 09:24 AM

Flipping good???

PHOOEY.....

You should just back off of that one, Brian....you got it wrong...

BrianW · #37 (**permalink**) 07-16-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chessbum

Flipping good???

PHOOEY.....

You should just back off of that one, Brian....you got it wrong...

Please read my last thread. I DID NOT SAY FLIPPING WAS GOOD !!!!!

I am trying to explain (Not very successfully) that the subject is not as black and white as some suggest. The golf swing is not black or white, there are many different styles and techniques, I am trying to show that there are conditions where the forward action of the right wrist and arm is desirable. I have attempted to explain this in a sensible manner but if I only get replies such as "PHOOEY" then I can see I am wasting my time trying to assist peoples understanding.

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