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I'm no pga professionall, but i am a scratch golfer that has never had a lesson which i probably could use but can't afford. So here is a possibly helpful tip for the slicer or someone looking for the correct swing plane. i've always felt that the stronger the grip the better as long as it's not effect your wrist hinge on the backswing and wrist position on impact. now on the backswing its always the best to keep your right elbow tucked to the inside promoting more of an inside swing plane on the back swing, too many amatuers have what you call the chicken wing effect flailing there elbow to the outside in which you loose considerable power , tempo, rhtym, and most of all consistency, keeping thew elbow tucked in as much of possible on the back swing is easy to remember and you can only goes as far as the body. now with a slight pause at top come thru the all as normal and on the follow pretend your shaking hands with the target promoting a out follow thru. its always best to have an inside out swing pattern. SO ON THE BACK SWING KEEP THE RIGHT ELBOW TUCKED AND SHAKE YOUR HAND WITH THE TARGET ON THE FOLLOW THRU. let me what ya think

The elbow down is a good position but the shake hands with the target on the follow through is only good with a two plane swing. With a one plane swing the left elbow needs to pull in and the club pull back inside the same as in the back swing.

although i don't agree what works for you works for you. The best swing plane is a inside out swing plane, this promotes good generation of power and keeps it down thru the ball, now the shaking the hand with the target is strickly right after impact ,as the hands turn over shaking hands with the target or throwing the club at the target so to speak promotes a more square impact with the ball projecting it straighter less side spin(draw or fade) the club naturally is going to end up coming back inside to some degree at the mid to top of the backswing regardless of what plane 1 or 2, in which i'm not familar with , if you would elaborate.

i've always been a great driver of the ball, averaging 315 yds. of the tee, straight with maybe a slight draw at times but controlled. I used to play the King Cobra 454 comp. with a SkyFiber shaft at 46 inches long x stiff that was in my driver i used for remax long drive tournaments. I recentley ran into the Ping tour bus and the guy gave me a new G10 with a diamana white board shaft x stiff at 45.75 in. long. I hit this club at the range straight and about 5-10 yards longer than my Cobra on pured shots and 10-15 yards longer on mis hits due to a bigger more forgiving face. Now i played in a local tournament last sunday and was push slicing the ball like crazy, now when i say slice i don't mean fade its like hacker slice. I was in trouble off the tee on every drivable hole which left me finishing in fifth, thank god my putter was good to me. The only thing different i did was went from a Taylormade black ball to a Bridgestone B330S in which i got a definite increase in distance on my iron shots from the Bridgestones than any ball on the market and they spun like crazy on aproaches. Whats your opinion?

i've always been a great driver of the ball, averaging 315 yds. of the tee, straight with maybe a slight draw at times but controlled. I used to play the King Cobra 454 comp. with a SkyFiber shaft at 46 inches long x stiff that was in my driver i used for remax long drive tournaments. I recentley ran into the Ping tour bus and the guy gave me a new G10 with a diamana white board shaft x stiff at 45.75 in. long. I hit this club at the range straight and about 5-10 yards longer than my Cobra on pured shots and 10-15 yards longer on mis hits due to a bigger more forgiving face. Now i played in a local tournament last sunday and was push slicing the ball like crazy, now when i say slice i don't mean fade its like hacker slice. I was in trouble off the tee on every drivable hole which left me finishing in fifth, thank god my putter was good to me. The only thing different i did was went from a Taylormade black ball to a Bridgestone B330S in which i got a definite increase in distance on my iron shots from the Bridgestones than any ball on the market and they spun like crazy on aproaches. Whats your opinion?

An inside out swing plane is used by many to promote a draw but I would not agree that it promotes any additional power, all it does is push the ball out right. A swing that comes in to in is the most efficient swing and if executed correctly will create maximum ball compression.

When you say "Shake hands with the target" I assume you mean extending the arms down the target line after impact, in my opinion this type of move reduces power by slowing the club head through impact. If you wish to generate more speed then you should be pulling the club back quickly inside as it passes the ball.

A one plane swing allows the arms to swing more around the body keeping the club parallel to the plane set at address through the entire swing, it is a low maintenance swing that needs less manipulation of the arms and hands than the two plane swing.. In a two plane swing the club is lifted to a steeper plane in the back swing, the club then has to be lowered back to the original plane as it comes down, the hips, shoulders and arms need to turn at different times. In the one plane swing everything rotates back and through together.

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Brian

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This is an interesting post to me. I definately play my best golf when I end up pointing my arms down towards the target. I do feel i lose a bit of distance doing it though. But also, I find it a bit uncomfortable as I have a bit of arthritis in my shoulders. I would love to perfect the other swing. I have tried but find my self very erratic when doing it.
Bri

I agree Brian,

I suspect that Gorrila feels like he is swinging out to in but if a video shot was taken 12 inches before impact and 12 inches after the club would be left of the ball.

Ian.

since there is no official golf dictionary i can't really say you are wrong, but more than not i have heard different. the chicken wing is when the left arm folds after impact elbow out towards the target and hand towards the hip giving it a chicken wing look, hence the name.

what you are referring to is usually called the flying right elbow. Jack niclaus has the flying right elbow and we know how good he was, so it dosen't automatically mean you will swing bad or weak with it.

ben hogan also fanned the club open and had massive left hand cup, which i wouldn't reccomend, but i don't think you can say fannign it open will automatically result in weak innacurate shots.

i have played with both styles and can usually hit it quite hard and straight (usually about 5-10 yards extra i get), but i don't like to maniplulate the club that much i am no ben hogan or jack niclaus and i can't do that every time.

but generally you are right keeping it tucked in is generally good for amatuers.

interested why you feel that way, can you elaborate?

Hi guys been away awhile, golf had to be secondary for awhile.

The flying elbow is something I do. I think it makes me lift my right shoulder and bring it out and around thus I swing out to in resulting in slices or dead pulls. I can keep it in playwith clubface control a la twistaway and neither are weak shots but a draw remains an elusive goal of mine. What I want to know is how do you keep the elbow pointing down? I was told to try a headcover under the right armpit and a pro told me that is not good to do. Do you need to shorten your backswing, swing around your shoulders like one planers (flatter)? I know it is better to see a swing before you recommend any fixes but there must be some thoughts or things I could try. Thanks.

ian of course the club is going to be left of the ball a foot after impact, its only natural rotatiion. im saying as you come thru the ball throw the club at the target or shake hands with the target at impact and directly as you come thru the balland on the backswing keep your right elbow tucked to the inside promoting more of an in side out swing plane.