Manuel de la Torre vs Leslie King

I think this has got a little confused, I don't think the debate is whether the hips or arms move first. King considered that a good golf swing relied on a free and uninhibited swing of the left arm, De la Torre and Ernest Jones considered that the swinging motion of the club was the best way to execute the swing. None of them say that the hips, legs, torso and shoulders do not take an active part, they rather suggest that they move in anticipation and reaction to the swing of the arms.

I cannot understand why so much emphasis gets placed on the way the hips, torso and legs are used in golf, I honestly believe that this has been the bain of the learning process and the culprit of creating so much confusion and erraticism.

In no other similar skill or sport is so much attention given to the movement of the body, normally this takes care of it's self. OK, learning posture, grip and balance is necessary, beyond that the most important skill is that of manipulating the club so that it can swing properly into the ball on plane and with suitable force for the shot in hand. Only the arms and hands can control these skills so need the focus of the learning process.

In Baseball, Tennis, Squash, Cricket, Table tennis, the ball and the object to strike it has the focus, the body if left to it's own actions will work out what to do.

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Brian

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Funny o'l game!

sorry, i think you misunderstood me. i agree the lower body and uppper body will apear to lead first, but that is all subconcoius. i know in baseball your foot goes first then your hips and they your body appears to sling your armaround but is that what really happens? i don't konw about you but when i throw a ball i think or my arm throwing it and the upper body responds to and leads that arm and the lower body responds to that and leads my upper body to support it. so i am not saying what should appear to move first, i am referrgin to what you concoiusly try to move.

and for me in golf all i move consciously is my arms.


that was exactly what i was getting at, great post!

I knew this would probably happen. Our discussion has gone to arms vs body swing. We are really not discussing the original thread. I think there are probably a few golfaholics who can discuss the Torre vs King swing.
I think this thread can continue for discussing the original thought.
I am going to start a new thread on arm swing vs body swing. I think when people see this title, we will have more people in the discussion. I would like to hear a variety of thoughts.
Thanks
redsox

The power and speed come from the lower half in both baseball and golf. It is delivered to the arms and hands but it starts from the ground up.

Maybe you can explain how that happens? Probably best in the new thread though.

It may take a minute to download, but go to minute 6:30 and it explains what happens to the body (and where the power comes from) when Jason Zuback hits a golf ball 400 yards.

He can certainly muscle the club into the ball but his technique is designed to do only that. His type of swing would be completely useless to you or I playing on the course, I imagine the ball would hardly be out of the woods. Why is Jason not earning big money on the PGA tour?

I would question the theory of where power comes from.
look at this link for a contrary view:
http://www.scigolf.com/scigolf/myths/myth6.htm

I proved my point of where power and speed comes from. I did not say anything about direction. And I doubt the good professor has earned any big money on tour either.