I don't think it is body or arms

hi Golfinguy
when your swinging well what do you think off when you start your swing.
i know that all my thinking is done when I'm behind the ball looking at the shot i want to hit and trying to see it in my mind, then i go through my set up.
but i don't think of doing anything with my hands, arms or body. i start a forward press and everything else follows without me having to think about it.
i could not do that without having the fundamentals and the basic good swing.
with a pitch or chip i always say over and over, "soft hands" but don't change my grip pressure that seems to happen by its self.
i do feel my mind controls the body better with me not thinking about what moves but like you say you need the basics of a swing there first.so i think I'm agreeing with what you said
cheers
bill

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quite the contrary, timing is not an issue at all the ball is still, now in baseball there is some timing but thankfully not in golf, its hard enough with a still ball. the only timing thing i have ever heard referred to in golf is squaring the face, but with my technique that is not an issue.

do you use timing when you snap a towel? of course you have to go out and pull in at the exact right time to get that snap. but is that somehting you consoiulsy do? or is that something you feel?

actually it is exatly that. well then, let me ask you how you get to the ball? do you make minute changes in position on your DS based of of a time to make sure you are at the ball at impact? because my swing goes to fast to do that. i am curoius of any other way of arriving at the ball other than letting it get in the way of your arc.

when you throw a ball you don't think about it having to be 4" up from your shoulder and 8" in front and 3" above it do you? no, you just throw along some arc that you have calibrated through repitition and feel and know that if you do that the ball will release at a perfect time and go where you want it to go.

now for that to happen you need a stationary point, for me that is my neck. i don't like to think of the head station ary because it tilts and moves a bit, but my neck never moves. now if i stay on a plane and don't move my neck, the club is going to go along a certain arc, and that ball just happens to be right in the middle of that path. that is how to curve the ball as well. if i want to hit a push hook (draw) i will set the ball back in my stance so that that ball gets in to way of my arc at the time my arc happens to be moving from in to out and i will close the face abit at addres. another way to change that arc could be to close my stance. then i would still be hitting the ball at the relative center of my arc but that reletive center of my arc happens to be right of the target so i will essentially hit a strait hook.

i hate to answer a question with a question but.... What do you think of when you throw a baseball?

that is what i think of. a lot of it is subconsios and feel. i think that i think about my hands while swing a club and throwing a ball, but i might not, some arm thoughts might go through my head, i'm really not that sure what does through my head while i swing its too fast, but after and before i think that i would probly think about my hands.

but that could be the case of do as i do not as i say, because the golf swing is so fast and it is often illusive of what we think we do and we actually do.

hi Golfinguy
i have never thrown a baseball or a cricket ball, have fly fished and i think of where the fly is to land in the water and i don't think of my had or the fly rod.
i really do think we have problems when we think and try to control out swing by doing something that we don't need too.
i do think when were learning we have to think and visualize what were doing but one you have a good swing then it happens and you don't need to try and use your hand, arms or any other body part. just let it happen.
cheers
bill

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sorry, i forget a lot of brits on this forum. i don't know 1 male in america that can't throw a baseball proper, i am sure there are some out there, i just don't know them.

when kids start playing baseball here they usually start with some ugly looking fundemental step by step throw and when they grow up, it get much smoother and looks much more fluid.

i think golf should be the same way to some extent. if you know how to throw something already golf should be a much easier transition. like many golf teachers/players have said its like skipping a stone. the underhand/sidearm throw is exactly what you want in golf.

http://www.break.com/index/skipping-...ld-record.html

if you can pause this video right at "impact" if you stick a golf club in this guys hand i bet he could crush that ball. he looks just like a LDA. very wide stance wiehgt shifting is good hold that lag.

http://www.hilarity100.com/uploads/o...ing-stones.jpg

they guy in the grey shirt has just released and his right hand has crossed over
http://www.lifeinthefastlane.ca/wp-c...byars_1sfw.jpg
this guy is about to come down on the ball from the top.

theese look familiar?

******* http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-1638...53E06C71E83%7D

this guy is not even trying, yet he has the perfect 2-cheek position, and i can garantee this guy wasn't thinking weight shift and turn and pivot ect.

look familiar? http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/asp...nie_impact.jpg *****