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Old 02-23-2005, 07:40 AM
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Help - Right Hand Swatting

I just read the greg j. willis right hand correction method on his site and realized I'm a swatter. No wonder my shots are inconsistent at times because like he said, if I close the club face fast enough, I'll draw but if I don't, I'll slice.

I don't understand what he means by the fact the right hand has to move up/down and not side/side. I just can't visualize what he means. Can someone explain/help me understand this concept or better yet show me a video clip as I think it's the final barrier in my golf swing that's preventing from hitting consistent shots.

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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Hi Big Sheesh,

What Greg means is this ............Take your normal stance....then lift the club directly in front of you so that it is parallel to the ground.

There you go you have just used your wrists how they should be in the swing not side to side as you do when you waggle the club.

It sounds difficult to do to us mere mortals but if you lets your arms slowly rotate during the backswing it is quite easy.


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Old 02-23-2005, 09:05 AM
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

I'm sorry but your explanation has gotten me more confused now.

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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Big Sheesh,

Not sure what you don't understand...let me try again.


Stand with both feet together club in both hands with normal grip......raise the club head so that it is directly out in front of you using your wrists only.....if you now start to lift your arms the club shaft should be level with your nose....with the toe of the club pointing to the sky...........take your normal stance now and simply turn the shoulders keeping the wrists and arms absolutly still.....once you have a complete shoulder turn you are int the perfect backswing position......look in a mirror and you will see.

That is how the wrists operate during the swing.


Hope you understand now if not I will look for a picture to post.

P.s swatting is what we in the UK call slapping the ball....like slapping someone across the face.....imagine doing that with a golf club in your hand and your wrists would move sideways not up and down.


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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

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P.S. swatting is what we in the UK call slapping the ball....like slapping someone across the face.....imagine doing that with a golf club in your hand and your wrists would move sideways not up and down.


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There's the finest example of an improper wrist hinge I think I've ever heard.
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Sorry guys,

Having read that twice I agree, i have always thought lowpost is very deep.


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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Ian, I read that as a compliment. "Improper" referring to the explaination of this discussion of the way not to hinge the wrists.

When I read your post, I also said to myself that slapping across the face is the best explaination of this topic, only whish I had thought of it, makes more sense.

I will put some videos on my site next. Just got my High8 tape to digital converter last week, so this will help out.
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

What'd I say? What'd I say?

I was complimenting your example, Ian - it's about as straightforward an example as I've ever seen.

Slapping is the wrong way (improper) for the wrists to break. Kudos!
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Ian,

I know what the perfect wrist hinge looks like at the top of the backswing. My question is not this.

I want to know how the right hand releases and that's what is discussed on Greg J. Willis' site. He mentions it should be an up/down movement and not side/side.
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Big Sheesh,

I was simply taking the up and down a little further by explaining what it like to take it to the top of the backswing. appoligies.

The up and down in Gregs article is like I explained through impact is no different........Like slapping a face or not as the case maybe.

It appears that my face slapping quip is the best way to explain the difference between up and down and side to side.


Thanks Lowpost and Greg.

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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Thanks Ian. Greg and Lowpost, so what is the proper way to release the right hand? Is it a slapping motion or is it not?

Pictures or videos would really help. Thanks.
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

I had a thought myself for explaining the proper movement.

Improper wrist hinge is like slapping someone in the face. (Copyright Ian Hancock 2005)

Proper wrist hinge is like using a hammer to drive home a nail.

What you think, guys, any good????

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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Here's what I experienced the past few days. The action of the right hand on the backswing is like that of driving hammer as Mizunoman pointed out. However, if you do the up/down motion on the downswing at the release and just before impact, chances are you end up with an open clubface as it's difficult to time it.

But if you squat/slap whatever you call it on the release just before impact, chances are you'll get a square club face. Does this make sense?
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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

I said in my site, "In the down swing, use the turning of the hips and shoulders (in that order) to begin the rotation that causes the club to move through the impact zone."

I have just added, "Your rotation of the hips and shoulders should be past where you were at setup, about 45 degrees. This rotation is what causes the clubface to return back to square allowing the hands to simply release the cocked position at the ball."

I have also added a link to a video of the explaination as well. Let me know if this helps! (-;

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Re: Help - Right Hand Swatting

Excellent video explanation Greg. That's what I wanted to know. Thank you very much!
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