The Super Slice

djcfl1 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 03:49 AM

Whenever I hit any club, especially off the tee, the tendency is for the ball to start straight and then careen right for 30-50 yards. Any ideas? Since it happens to me with every club, I have two theories: I'm too far away horizontally to the ball and/or footwork. And help would be nice.

Especially off the tee. The distance is 200 using the oldest clubs on the face of the planet.

The pictures are of a similar driver to mine. It's obviously really old, as it's made out of wood. The ball could go 225-250 if the massive slice could be corrected.

As an aside, if anyone can figure out what that distance translates to with a modern driver, i'm interested.

Martin Levac · #2 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 04:58 AM

djcfl1,

The ball could be too far and that would force you to reach out to it and probably lose your balance at some point and then you'd have to regain your balance getting back to your original position of too far from the ball. It is this last move that could force you to bring the club across the ball as you hit it. I'm just guessing from what you wrote so it may be something entirely different but it's worth a shot. It could be something else, like the shoulders turn too fast compared to the arms and other things that happen. One thing is for sure, you hit the ball with the clubface open so look into that as well.

About the distance you get with an old wooden driver and what you'd get using a new titanium driver. It will be approximately the same since the laws of the universe have remained the same. One thing that could make a difference is the coefficient of restitution or CoR which is a little bit higher on titanium drivers with the face that has spring like effect by about 10% (0.83 versus 0.76) which would translate into about a 3% improvement in distance over a wooden driver. So, 200 + (0.03 x 200) = 206.

What would make a bigger difference is the size of the head compared to what you use right now. The maximum allowed head size is 460cc, that's pretty big. What this is alleged to do is forgive your bad hits by making then look and feel like good hits. I don't particularly believe it but that's what they say.

Martin Levac

pnearn · #3 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:06 AM

You most likely have a swing path that is over the top. That is you are throwing your right shoulder forwards at the start of your downswing and cutting across the ball with an open club face

There are a few threads around GTO on OTT (a good one right now) so maybe have a look there?

aftford · #4 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 06:14 AM

Hi folks.
The slice can be one of the most destructive shots in golf, it can destroy confidence and in some cases, lead to people give up the game completely.

Before we attempt to cure the slice, lets have a quick look at what causes this destructive shot to happen.

There are TWO main factors that cause a golfer to slice, the first being a out-to-in swing path. This swingpath cuts across the target line from out-to-in direction, as opposed to the correct in-to-out-to-in path.This coupled with the second fault, an open clubface, work together to vary the degree of the outcome.The clubface being open to the swing path may be the technical cause of all slices but it.s the out-to-in swing that makes the slice so complicated and so difficult to cure.If you cure just one factor ,you will most likely still slice!

The only effective way to cure the slice is a two step procedure. You must work on only one factor at a time. If you try to work on both the open clubface and the out-to-in swing at the same time you will doom yourself to failure.
You must start by working on curing your outside-to-inside swing first , for two reasons. First, you can measure your progress when working on the out-to-in swing by looking at your divots(on grass ) or scuff marks on the practice mat. Most golfers will find that after straightening their swing path, curing the open clubface is much easier.

So lets start by curing the swingpath:
Developing an in-to-out swing path with a headcover near the ball gives you a ideal visual key to remind you not to swing outside in. Position the ball near the front edge of the headcover.When you.re on a tee, position your ball next to a divot or mark. The position of the divot just outside your ball will provide you with a visual substitute and reminder of the headcover drill. Some golfers find it helps to elevate the left heel a little on the backswing. Planting the left heel on the downswing creates a lateral movement making the inside-to-outside swing easier.
Next, aim to hit the ball on the inside rear quarter. These are all visual aids that will lead you to swing on the correct path.Before you begin your downsing , try not to be too active with the shoulders, i always try to keep my back to the target for as long as possible and let left knee and then hips initiate the downswing.
now, lets deal with the open clubface:
We are goint to attempt to completely alter your ball flight, from a fade to a draw.Once you can consistently hit a draw you stand a much greater chance of erradicating the slice. To hit a draw: Aim the clubface squarely at the target, but instead of aligning your body parallel to the target line, set up a little closed with your feet, knees, hips and shoulders slightly to the right of the target. The more you want to draw the ball the more closed your stance. Swing the club in the direction your hips and shoulders are pointing at address. Some golfers find it a help to pick a secondary target to align their bodies with, then they concentrate on swinging their hands straight out toward the secondary target in their follow-though.

Expect YOUR slice to get bigger for a while as a normal step in the corrective process. It.s normal for the slice to get bigger while you are working on it.

shootin4par · #5 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aftford

Next, aim to hit the ball on the inside rear quarter.

many good suggestion aftford,
on this one I would recommend 1-2 dimples inside the center line, inside quarter might be too much inside out and just hit big pushes. Just my suggestion
good luck in the search

BrianW · #6 (**permalink**) 07-21-2006, 01:50 PM

Hi,

Look at this video lesson, it has helped me and many others.

http://www.ritson-sole.com/golftips/2005/sept05.htm

Regards
Brian

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