delofting, leaning, tilting, laging

lgskywalker37 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-15-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cmays

If we took three pieces of thin tape and placed red tape down the left side of the shaft, white down the middle of the shaft and blue down the right side of the shaft as reference we can understand the difference in tilt and lean.

Tilt: You can move the hands forward and backwards at address and the white tape remains on top of the shaft.

You slowly swing back to waist high allowing the back wrist to hinge and the white tape remains on top on the way back and you slowly swing back down keeping the white tape on top, maintain the back wrist hinge and strike the ball you are pushing the ball with a lofted clubface. To deloft one method is to rotate the toe of the club around. If you just turn the shoulders around faster the clubface angle with loft is there w/o toe rotation.

Lean: Is bringing the club back allowing the blue tape on the right side to face the ground.

At a certain point the white tape reappears and then you lean towards the blue tape.

Keep the shaft leaning on the blue tape, right side for a right handed golfer and make impact with the ball and the clubface remains open.

Turn to the red tape too soon in the downswing and not only have you delofted the clubface, but you have smother the shot.

Moving the hands forward you may swing down on a steeper path, but you can swing in one of the 3 planes.

The average right handed player will stand 10 feet behind the tree with the clubface align to the center of the tree, swings back and strikes the ball with the clubface facing to the right of the tree, pushing & steering action.

Then they gain a little knowledge and produce better shots by allowing the clubface to be squared at impact.

Better ones move on to allowing the toe of the club to come around because the pull will give you the greatest distance, not only from ball flight, but it allows the right upper arm to come out and turn behind the ball at impact.

Two ways of maintaining lag:

1. Back wrist hinge.

2. The leaning of the shaft.

Bowing is another method to deloft, but the action of the lead wrist coming out happens with a weak grip, this does not mean you can not use a bowing like action with a stronger grip.

You can play great golf with normal loft, clubface squared at impact w/o delofting and many tour players have made a living in this manor. Tall golfers and some thin golfers can have that large backswing arch and can move the ball out there. Woods is a good example. Then when he wants more distance he is able to drop the lead foot back a little and hit the stinger by pulling around on the ball.

Does he have too keep the ball low with the stinger?

No, not if he understands ball postion, shaft lean and tilt to produce the best launch angle.

Take someone like Craig Stadler and there is a whole lot of pulling going on.

When you get into distance you want pulling forces, a whole new study into golf.

I can not say this enough, a person's swing must be based on body type. Stand up in a chair and you have increased your swing arch, tall players, get down on your knees and you have decrese your swing arch, shorter players.

**i found this drill in german so the translation is a bit rough, but it looks like a good test to see if you have proper lean on not.**

2. Exercise
For this exercise one needs only tee: First that is put diagonally tee (80 degrees) into the soil. Now one tries to ram it with a tiny impact into the soil. If the hands remain passive and if the club head lags to the hands up to the frame afterwards, the task succeeds.

In the picture the hands before the ball must be. Only thus succeeds ramming dte into the soil

If one uses the hands however to early and if the club head overhauls the hands before the impact, that is excavated tee and flies to air.

Here the hands are in the pictue behind the ball, because the hands were not passive, but the club head was brought forward too early.

lgskywalker37 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-15-2006, 01:43 AM

from GD

"Three years ago, I wrote a Golf Digest article about elements of Sergio Garcia's golf swing that could be a future problem. His swing had similarities to the swing of the late Ben Hogan, whom many consider the best ball-striker of all time. But Hogan had better impact alignments. They both had incredible clubhead lag, but Sergio was on the verge of having too much."

how can you have too much lag? i thought that was good....

lgskywalker37 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-15-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cmays

Better ones move on to allowing the toe of the club to come around because the pull will give you the greatest distance, not only from ball flight, but it allows the right upper arm to come out and turn behind the ball at impact.

Tiger....Then when he wants more distance he is able to drop the lead foot back a little and hit the stinger by pulling around on the ball.

No, not if he understands ball postion, shaft lean and tilt to produce the best launch angle.

Take someone like Craig Stadler and there is a whole lot of pulling going on.

When you get into distance you want pulling forces, a whole new study into golf.

cmays... you are confusing me here.

you speaking of hitting a pull will give you great distances... but in order to hit a pull down the targer line, don't you need to drop the trial foot back (closing your stance) and pull around you body? i thought opening you stance and pulling a(llowing the toe to come around) would cause a pull hook.

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