really really need to know about this!!

When should your wrists turn! or shud they stay straight in the backswing :S:S:S

HELPPPPPPP

maka,

The wrists cock in the backswing. If you want to know what a wrist cock is you take a setup position. Then lift the club off the ground toward your head. It should come in at an angle. This motion starts when the club passes the big toe on the backswing and is completed half to 3/4 back.

The wrists do not turn. You can not in any manner roll your wrist back. Wrist roll causes too many adjustments and is not effective.

GolfBald

Almost EVERY pro turns their wrists (utilize body rotation)...only 'hitters' don't (those who utilize right arm thrust)...

The downstroke wrist movements are the opposite of the backstroke wrist movements bu they don't necessarily happen at the same locations.

The right trigger finger should feel like it is turned 1/4 at the top of the backswing.

Your wrists do not turn and they do not cock they "hinge"

This happens naturally it is a result of momentum.

This is what you need to do

It is called the L to L drill

This will give you the proper feeling of the wrists hinging.

Setup to the ball with a wedge, now take the club halfway back(let your arms feel like rope) note when they reach halfway the butt of the club points to the ground( This is a direct result of your wrists hinging)just make sure that the club points to the ground. This is where the wrist hinge starts
to occur.


Write back with your success

If you want it bad enough and you put the time in you can acheive it

Jordy Scerbo
Teaching Professional

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WHAT??

Can you explain this 'hinging'. That isn't even the right word. Hinging, by definition, is the wrist movement through impact.

The left wrist cocks (up and down movement). The right wrist bends (horizontal movement).

There are three types of hinging. Vertical, horizontal, and Angled. You apply one through impact.


Didn't you just say the wrists didn't cock? It sounds like you THINK hinging and cocking are the same. NOPE. ONLY THE LEFT WRIST COCKS.

You are describing cocking. Double-cocking is WRONG. In an uncompensated swing, the right wrist does NOT cock.

And the left wrist can begin cocking at any point. The later it cocks, the later it will be released.


ragman
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I never said that both wrists hinge

I was explaining what happens when the left wrist hinges the right wrist is a by product.

Just to make this clear to you setup while looking at a mirror so you are able to see you're backswing, now take it to the top what do you see?

I will tell you with certainty what you see
You're left wrist is flat and your right wrist is bent, this should be maintained all the way down to impact.

I will leave you with one final thought

there are numerous ways to explain the golf swing

apparently you were confused with the manner in which I explained it

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Jordy is completely right... there is more than one way to explain any part of the golf swing. It is all about interpretation.

This is why golf is such a hard game to teach. I found that you can explain one aspect of the swing a certain way to one person and they completetly understand. Yet, I have explained the same thing to another person and they cannot relate to it at all, so then you need to explain it a different way until that person understands what you are trying to explain.

It is only through discussions like these that we all learn from eachother.

We are all here to help each other improve. Please, when someone explains something that does not make sense, reply with courtesy (to the teacher) and ask for further explanation.

Thanks and keep up the good discussions.

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Greg Hutton
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Ragman,

Please go back and reread chapters 4, 5 and 7-10. You know what I'm talking about. Something in what you said earlier in this thread got me to thinking where you have been getting your info.

Ragman, the information in the "Yellow Book" is generally to advanced for most students. Students grasp simple easy to understand concepts. Mental pictures are good. Common movements they can mimic to grasp a concept. Butch Harmon is one of the best teachers on the planet. He teaches in an easy to grasp manner. Dave Pelz who puts in an enormous amount of hours into research. He is a great teacher of mental pictures not just quoting others research or his own. If you have ever talked to him, you would know what I am talking about.

Engineers have debated Homer's book on many levels. I have debated his points and don't see eye to eye on others. I have used high speed video to see some of the concepts for myself. I applaude you for wanting to learn the engineering concepts behind a golf swing.

Knowledge from a single source can be a dangerous thing. Every teacher and every student can learn from each other. Kinesiology is not an exact science and it can't all be explained by engineering. The human body true is a machine as Homer states but the "Yellow Book" doesn't explain the mental part of the game nor the "Feel" aspect of he game. It doesn't explain how to coach yourself on the course or how to quiet yourself on a tough shot.

There is more to the game than the engineering, it's about a person's fun level and helping others to find it on their level not my level.

GolfBald

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Bald,

It does talk about the mental game. Read the chapter on the Computer.

It does talk about feel. What do you think the pressure point are? The proper mechanics will produce your feel.

Read it before you criticise it. Garbage In-Garbage Out.

If you want to talk kinesiology, we can do that, too. I'm very familiar with Mike Austin's work.

Want to talk about biomechanics? We can do that, too. I'm very familiar with the SLAP model and Dr. Gideon Ariel's work.

Ragman,

I am happy for you that you are a student of the game at a high level. You have memorized alot from the book. I'm impressed. Most people in a lifetime of golfing don't study these things. If you are in search of the absolute truth about a swing, try teaching kids with handicaps, or adults with a physical problem and all they want to do is hit the ball and have fun. I study because it brings me pleasure in learning new things. I learn from all these people. Most people on this site, I've found are folks that want to get a tip or read a little something to help them, very few post messages compared to the amount that read.

Let me explain something to you about the Bald Guy. I have had too much pain in my life to argue over who is right or wrong about a golf swing. I lost close friends in Lebanon in the 80's along with my Father and my first wife. I don't take things as seriously as I once did. I enjoy life and golf has always been there for through rough times.
I left my beloved Marine Corps with a leg broken in six places. It's not perfect but it works. The doctors said I'd never play golf or walk well. I do both reasonalbly well.
I am not an angry person nor do I give myself sympathy. I live my life and smell the roses. I could debate you all day on all these subjects and more but I won't, I would like to discuss them in a cordial manner with you. I am fasinated why someone would talk the time to study such a work. I do because I am an engineer and a golfer. Maybe you could enlighten me sometime.
I came to this site to give simple explainations to folks that struggle with their game. I don't want to talk over their head or tell them they are wrong. Just simple answers. Life is too complicated to add golf to the list of complicated things. It truely is a great escape.
If you think I'm wrong or right, in the morning I know these to be true:

1. It will rain somewhere in Louisiana tomorrow.
2. My wife will have made me good coffee.
3. I will get a kiss before I leave the house.
4. I will work, that is a good thing.
5. When I come home I will see my dogs face in the window.
6. I will sleep soundly knowing I lived another day and I am still breathing.
7. Hopefully I can escape to the course soon!

I'm sorry Ragman, but for the Bald Guy I don't really want it more complicated than that!!!

GolfBald

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MaKA,

Sorry you got dragged into all this. Please take the suggestions at face value.

GolfBald

Greg,

If you want to open a forum for Higher Learning we can take it there. I should be more open minded about the discussion. I feel we need to take this to a different area.

GolfBald

Dear All,

I don't think there is any need to open another forum. I am glad that there is so much discussion going on here, and so many interesting points of view. I just don't want any of the discussions to make anyone feel that they do not belong, or their views will be dismissed.

As long as we're all happy and leaning from each other then thats ok by me.

Happy Golfing