Shoulder turn and Lag....

scragger, if the right hand has to be lower then the left on the grip, then you should tilt a little so the right shoulder drops down some so the right hand goes down to get the grip. If the hands were even on the grip then even shoulders at address would be ideal

Hey Seeker:

Your original post on this thread stated that the pros appear to swing their shoulders slower than amateurs. Actually, with the correct timing, the pros use their shoulders about 50% faster and quite a bit more effectively than high handicaps. The timing comes from letting the transition begin from the bottom up. There is a lot of talk about hips bumping and turning but the move initiates with the sole (bad pun) connection to the earth which is the feet. Ignore the correct foot action and you can spend a lot of unproductive time working on the hips. Anyway, to your point on the shoulders, they really are huge speed and power producers but the timing is critical because of tension (the good type) that must be maintained like a coiled spring until the proper release point. High handicaps will use the shoulders early as you said and release that critical abdominal tension created between the differential position of the hips and shoulders. By now you have seen and heard many references to the open position of the hips and the square or slightly closed position of the pros shoulders at impact. This is a major concept for sure but what is equally important is the burst of speed with the shoulders that is occuring through impact. It is vital to keep both the left and right shoulders firing through impact. Often the right shoulder will overtake the left resulting in the over the top move. Although this usually occurs early in the downswing it can occur later as well resulting in blocks primarily. The left shoulder must be moving out of the way to allow the right shoulder room to move down inside but parallel to the target line. Technically there is a slight point in time during impact where the left side (shoulder, lat and arm) stahl (the pinch factor) but I think we are better off concentrating on keeping the shoulders rotating and switching positions from set-up. The right shoulder goes where the left was and the left where the right was by way of full body rotation. Again the foot action is important. If you where to try and use that full body rotation without releasing properly from the tension provided by the earth, you would be well off balance. The feet release that tension by rolling to the outside porion of the left foot and up to the right toe.

By the way, the pros swing faster than most in all aspects of the swing. They appear to move slower because every thing is correctly sequenced ans balanced. Another thing they all share is a full shoulder release. All have the right shoulder at or left of the target in the follow through. In addition, some players like Tiger, Adam Scott, Michellle Wie have the left shoulder pulled way behind giving that wrapped around look very prevalent among young flexible players. But view some of the older pros and you still see a full release cleary with the right shoulder and most (90%) of the weight on the left foot in the follow through.

my thought on why it may appear the pros move their shoulder slower

if you stand iown the line of a slicer they have an over the top shoulder movement where the will stand up more and the chest/shoulders will face you faster
with a pro their right shoulder goes more down at the ball while the chest stays at the ball more and then the chest comes around to face you and the shoulder as well, so it may appear slower but that is because they are having the right shoulder travel a longer distance

so maybe slicers get the shoulders facing you sooner but since the distance traveled is less they were not moving faster

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I notice when pro golfers re-plant their left foot when they finish the downswing the weight is mostly on the left heel instead of the left outer-step or toes..

it seems when I finish I tend to get on the left toes or left outer side of the foot.. Im gonna see if moving it move to the heel works better..