Which arm controls and powers the swing?

Originally Posted by cmays

GolfJunkieSr:

There is less injuries from the right side unless you catch the tree root on the way down before impact and it does not matter what kind of hitter you are.

We need to clean up the thinking machine, the brain because the impact actions are not the same.

Pulling down from the left side for a right handed golfer is a large scooping action in which the clubface descends, makes impact towards the topside of the ball and the clubface continues to travel down to make a divot and the it travels back up. At impact there is some strain on the back left hand and joints.

Pushing is strikinking down at the ball that involves the right palm in either a downward or upward action that is stronger then the back of the left hand and the palm is better equip to handle such action.

Take the back of the left hand and hit the top of your left leg and then take the palm of the right hand and hit the top of the right leg and see which sting will last longer.

Pulling also has an effect on the spine. Pushing decreases the effects.

Pulling causes strain in the backswing when you are fully loaded at the top and with pushing there is no need to fully load.

There are many things I like about being a pusher, but the one that stands out for me being the Fatboy; I know longer had to make a full backswing turn to hit the long irons and woods and the speed and leverage was all there w/o being fully coiled at the top.

If I can find one that is public, most of the studies are showing it is better from a helath standpoint to play from the right side.

Originally Posted by shootin4par

kbp,
I have found the same to be true as well. I have a speed stick any day I can swing it at 135+ and some days, for some reason I get it to max out. Anyways, my point is If I am swinign say 135 with it on a full swwing. I can take the speed stick to the 9:00 poition, hold that position, and swing from there. No big coil, no big X factor, no momentum etc... and when I do this I loose 5 mph on it, that is all I am not pulling it but hitting with the right side. I also swing it about 12 MPH faster with a right side only swing rather then a left side only swing

Originally Posted by BrianW

What happens if you hit with both arms together?

What happens if you stop 6 inches down in your downswing then continue?

What happens if you stop at the top then continue?

What happens if you stop 6 inches before the top then continue?

Originally Posted by shootin4par

brian, I was just sharinng what I have found with kbp
others may find something different.
when I swing with right arm only I get around 120 so when I swing with two arms I get 135, so by adding the left arm I gain 15 mph.
when I swing left arm only I might get 105-110, so when I add right arm on it I gain25-30 mph. For me the speed stick is a good tool to experiment with for me to figure things out such as this for myself.

Originally Posted by BrianW

Yes Neil, i was only thinking of what would happen with the speed stick in the suggested situations and how speed is affected by no, little or no coiling?

Originally Posted by shootin4par

ok, brian
I will go do some swings with no pivot at all the only turn will be shoulder abduction and adduction but my chest wont move, and then I will post the results
I will also do six inches before the top, then you want me to stop there and ghtne go to the top and down, right?
I am clear on the other positions
so I will report back after the range tonight so I can do this when I am warmed up
I will also coil my shoulders against my hips X factor, and report on that too and write them all down

Originally Posted by shootin4par

Mr. Mays
so when I rotate the plate I am making my left wrist bow and therefore it wants to release, gaining some speed, is that what you are talking about?


Mr. Brian
numbers
hit 15 balls and then took out the speed stick and note pad

3 full swings first
130 132 132=131.3 avg

6 in before top 127 127 128= 127.3 avg

at top130 130 129= 129.6 avg note, on this I made sure my at top position was as perfect as I could make it, not coild but position of weight, arms, etx..


6 inches after top 130 128 125 = 127.6

x factor where I turned all shoulders to start backswing, this felt bad on my back 125. 132 132=129.6

3 more fulls at the end with weight shift to start my back swing
135 132 130 132.3

Originally Posted by eddie3392

I have one last question -- went and played today trying to incorporate the right side. After four holes I started to get the feeling of using my right side. My question is this, others here believe that you should not initiate the downswing with the hands, so how would pros or others supply the force if the hands are not an active part of the downswing. Logically I don't see how turning the shoulders without the hands guiding the club back to the ball is possible. I am in between theories and would appreciate a little help from this forum. I am a 5 handicap and I play a lot of tournaments but the hooks were destroying my game so I start to learn the cut shot. I really took the club way inside but I am now feeling like I take the club away outside even though it really is straight back. I set the club late and I am looking for a method that I can use under pressure. I guess I need a clear understanding of the swing broke down or simplified if possible.

Sorry for the long string.
Eddie