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Old 05-21-2007, 03:40 PM
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Great Tip

Must apologize first. On the 19th I read a great tip here somewhere, but can't find it now. Luckily I did a cut/paste so I could print it. Tried it yesterday and had really great results

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I gave a lesson today that had such a dramatically successful result, that I though I might share with you.

He wanted more distance.

He was taking the club on a good plane, good shoulder turn; hands were setting and releasing ok. But what I noticed was that his arms were staying too connected to the body. He would take the arms and pull them inwards to the chest. All the books tell you to "stay connected" he told me. And he did it to the extreme. The position of his left arm was shortened because the right was so bent and holding close the body.

So I said, "Connection is all about keeping the arms within the boundaries of the shoulders and not physically touching or pressing inwards to the body. If you do that, you are shortening the left arm's potential to be extended."

"Ok", he said, "How do I do that?"

"At setup", I said, "Take you right hand, and begin to pull the left arm down and that will feel like you are pulling the left shoulder out of its socket a little. Allow the right hand to keep this new tension feeling throughout the takeaway and to the top."

It was an amazing result. Like a cannon going off. Instant power and effortless. The harder he tried to swing with his hips through the shot, the more power he generated.

This ended up doing two things for him. It gave him good extension with both arms and it gave him a firm right wrist to hit against. Those together gave him nearly a 15% increase on all clubs and hit it instantly higher with more spin.
He was a happy customer. Try this next time you want to feel more extension

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Want to thank who ever posted this. It not only helped with distance but greatly improved my consistence at striking the ball well. That is my biggest problem
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Re: Great Tip

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...If you understand what allows the left shoulder to come under which involves the feet and spine then the pushing down of the left is not needed. Then you can have a shorter more free radius coming back into the backswing and extend the radius on the downswing.
You have it, down and turn, no picking the left hand up towards the right eye.
Since your about to retire , maybe you could explain what with the feet and spine allows this to happen, please. I’ve been having loads of fun with this "left shoulder down and back" and AND beating the **** out of the ball with it, but I don’t think I really understand it enough to keep it tuned up over time.

BTW, I think GregJWillis was the "author" of the original "tip".

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Re: Great Tip

Further evidence that Stack and Tilt is nothing new. If you notice any pro when they take backswing, they tilt the left shoulder down and back under the chin, no noticeable weight transfer for most, yet very powerful. On the downswing, just reverse the backswing by moving the right shoulder down and through.
Yes, great tip and No, nothing new as golf digest would have us believe. All the greats knew this and did it well.
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And it was mine, yes. Great to hear it helped!
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Golfone, very true. Incidentally, I could never play with duck feet either.
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G-1, thanks a lot. I appreciate the info and will experiment as you suggested.
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Thank you GregJWillis, the tip was short, to the point and extremely benefical for me. It seems as if it has simplified my swing some and that's a very good thing.
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Phil Ritson-duck feet philosopher-has taught KJ Choi and many very good Korean and Asian pro's as well as myself but I could never master the duck feet theory although Choi and many Ritson has taught do play like that.

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You can stand up straight and bring the club up in the backswing, drop the right shoulder and the clubface will open further.

So if that is your position at the top of the backswing your job now is to swing down and square the clubface.

If you do left shoulder down in the proper manner the clubface should return to square.

If someone wants to play with right shoulder down at the top of the backswing, I can teach it, but they are going to struggle more and have a longer learning peroid.

Takin:

I am the one that walks with duck feet and Butt Ugly and can not play from a duck foot position.
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Phil Ritson-duck feet philosopher-has taught KJ Choi and many very good Korean and Asian pro's as well as myself but I could never master the duck feet theory although Choi and many Ritson has taught do play like that.

TID, I like the way Phil Ritson and Mel Sole teach, they have some great videos on their web site: Golf Schools » Ritson-Sole Golf School » Golf Tips » Top 25 golf instruction

I can't get to grips with both feet splayed either, I do splay the front foot to assist with hip coil in the backswing and full rotation in the follow through though.
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