set up and OPS

All:

I have a question that has been bothering me since I played earlier this week when someone in my playing group asked me about it.

Because I have gone to a one plane swing I naturally have to stand further from the ball and naturally since I'm standing further away during setup the toe of my clubs (irons) are a bit elevated at address (the club sits more on the heel). It isn't elevated much at most about a 1.5 cm towards the toe.

My question is how do you think this affects my ball flight? Roight now my ball flight is high. I have a natural fade could this affect my direction in any way?

I'd like to avoid playing around with the lie.


Any advice is appreciated,

robf

Cmay:

As always, I can count on you for some very good info.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you said - Most likely your fading problem is coming from standing further away from the ball.


I am about 5'9" and I bend at the waist considerably, at setup my grip is directly under my mouth ( not chin) with almost all mid - long irons. I recently decreased my spine angle for my woods and I hit them much straighter ( also rotating better). Perhaps experimenting with my spine angle with my irons is in order.


The reason why I bend over so much with my irons is about 5 months ago I had an hour lesson with a pro who advocates a one-plane swing and that is how he had me set up. I was doing fine then I gradually started to fade.

Thanks for the help.

robf

If you're too toe up, then you'll notice your short irons more left than normal, as you now have the dynamic lie too upright.

Lowpost:

Most of my shots with my shot irons are fairly straight fade so I guess my fears of being too toe up can subside.

Cmays;

I'll give your suggestion a try. I was more bent from the hips because that's what my pro told me to do. I also read some of Hardy's 1st book that suggested the same. Additionally, on my downswing I get my right elbow in front of my right hip not behind it according to Hardy,

"Keep your right elbow behind your right hip and your hands as close to your right pants leg as you possibly can (inner circle) while turning your upper body as hard as you can in your spine angle. The more you stay bent over and turn your upper body, the tighter your hands must be to your right leg. If your right elbow leads (a mistake in Hogan’s book) the right arm and in front of the right hip, one of three things will happen. You will either straighten up your spine angle and hit with a club stuck behind you, or you will hit in the heel, or you will slap the ball left. None of these are acceptable alternatives. KEEP THE SPINE ANGLE BENT OVER…AGGRESSIVELY TURN YOUR UPPER BODY AROUND A BENT OVER SPINE ANGLE…KEEP YOUR RIGHT ELBOW UP AND BEHIND YOUR RIGHT HIP AND YOUR HANDS AS LOW AND AS CLOSE TO YOUR RIGHT LEG AS POSSIBLE."



I guess there are more ways to skin a cat when it comes to executing a one plane swing. Hardy makes it sound like it is his way or no way.


robf.

"Remember Hardy is not teaching a rotational 1 Plane Swing as in Hogan's 5 Lessons."

Agree.

Hardy says that one should educate their hands to swing in an arc around your body (inner circle), then the club head will move around the body in what Hardy calls the outer circle.


Hogan moves his body rotationally. But wouldn't Hardy's method support a body rotation as well?


robf