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I guess you could say im the king of the draw shot. Its simple.
Swing in to out. You must close the club face though a bit or you will just hit pushes. Practice with a sand iron until you can do it then move up through the irons to the driver.

I guess you must be the King if you can draw a sand iron your majesty.

If you shut the clubface and swing in to out then you can even draw a sand iron

LOL! You see, that's what I love about this site - you get a higher class of put down

Tonyc9, even if you do see yourself as the king of the draw shot, and even if you are that one in 500 who can draw a SI, it's a bit barmy advising everyone else to start practising their draws with the hardest club in the bag to hit it with. I suggest a 5I makes rather more sense for most people?

BDBL - yeah, I agree with you, to a point. I'm not really suggesting that high cappers like me should really be trying to shape shots all over the place, but rather that there's no harm in trying this, but there are probably more pressing things to practice.

What I also think though, is that it's ok to try new stuff. Why not try crushing a driver off the deck in matchplay? Why not try hybrids out of FW bunkers? I like pushing myself, as long as I then don't beat myself when it doesn't work out from unrealistic expectations.

Your point about the draw, and how 2 of the 7 probably don't go where I intended is certainly valid, but on the other hand, if I was trying for a 10 yard draw, and I got 3 yard draw, then that would still go down as a success in my book. TBH, on this particular tee shot, I'm aiming at a 25 yard wide fairway, and anything on it is a success, and all the more so if I drew it a little as well.

But I'm very much a 'glass half full' golfer - or at least I try to be...

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Have to say that would be accurate enough for me too I'd also agree about giving things a try especially when playing a practice round on your own.

btw I can whole heartedly recommend a hybrid from a fairway bunker if the lip allows; it makes for a spectacular almost Seve like recovery.

All I am saying is that is how I learnt. In the 80's I would practice with Nick Ohern and a guy called Chris Gray at my club Mt Lawley (Chris won the world Junior in about 1990 beating Ernie Els when we were all about 17-19) and I would marvel at how they could both shape the ball. Chris would hit these pitching wedges that would move ten feet in the air right to left. I just watched and tried to copy it.

Tony,

With all that backspin the sidespin is fairly well negated. Why would you want to draw or fade a sand iron shot or any pitch shot come to that? These are precision shots where you want to drop the ball on a small target area.

The shortest club I attempt to effectively bend the ball with is an 8 iron, I would suggest that anyone learning the shot would take Bulldog's advise and start with a 5 or maybe 6 iron, These are easier to use than the driver for learning, less backspin gets produced than wedges and you will get better feedback of the results.

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Again all Im am saying is that is how I learnt.

To prove I can do it I will put a video up on the web showing it! You seem to suggest that spin is two distinct vectors which it is not. Spin is one vector that is orientated more to the vertical or more to the horizontal.

I like what "oldwease" posted. My normal shot is a draw, club square to my target, with an aligned, closed stance from my feet to my shoulders. I make no other changes in my swing. No grip, or any other changes. All I do is swing along my shoulder line and/or my toe line. Just a normal swing with a more closed stance. Now if I arrive at the golf course with a golf shot trejectory/ pattern that is not normal for me, I play the round with the shot pattern/trejectory I have for that particular round of golf. No one has the same golf swing from day to day. If they did the pros would shoot the same scores every day they played. People like Tiger would win every tournament they played in. Bottom line you dance with the girl you brought to the dance. If she is ugly, you still dance with her. This is when the mental aspect of golf chimes in more than it normally does, or becomes more important. You play with what you have, with the mind set to score better, during that particular round, with the shot pattern you have that day. If you are a natural drawer of the ball, but you can't for what ever reason (probably due to a release issue) are not drawing the ball that day, you play with the ball flight you have. In other words, dance with the girl you are with. JMHO........GJS

No, don't bother to do that. I have not said you cant do it I merely said it was not easy and if you can then you are as you say the "King" well done. I would not recommend, as you have, that someone learning to work a ball used a sand wedge.

I am not saying that a ball can spin in two vectors at the same time, that's impossible and I think you are aware of what I meant. Without getting into the dynamics of ballistics and theory of flight, it is evident that the greater spin rates created by higher lofted clubs make it easier to reduce the effects of sidespin. In this case they would be better off learning this skill with lower lofted clubs.

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IMHO - If your duck hooking or pushing the ball, would rec: going to a fade, not a draw. A fade is a much more controlled shot, in your case you eliminate the right side of the course, and better control for landing on greens. mike