Broke 90!!!

Matt10,

I think that there are two big things in golf. One is the technique - the basics. Other is how you apply it. To be aple to apply the technique you learn, you need to get feedback and the most effective feedback comes from your body. This means that by being aware and listening to your own body you will improve your golf. I think that you need to know the basics and a good instructor has already helped you to get a good start.

I am trying to say that maybe you have all the information you need, but just need to apply it better? I had this problem - and might still have it. I was trying to swing like I did on the driving range, but it does not work on the course. I was copying my swing, but yesterday I just made a good set up, aimed at the target and swang at the ball. It worked.

Shootin, I'll locate the book ASAP. I'm also going to try to post some videos here in the near future. I'm pretty excited to try the one-plane swing so far. We'll see if results show up.

Sorry didn't see your post there, Hannu. That is sound advice, thank you. I really have to start trusting my body, you're right. But it's so hard to have trust there when the only trust I want is in my result - meaning I want the ball to fly where I want it to. Lately it just hasn't been doin that. I've tried to combine my mental toughness, which is good, with the swing - but something just isn't clicking yet.

Shootin, in my new swing setup (as If I'm ordering a swing from you,hehe) I'd like to be able to hit DOWN on the ball consistently. My swing now is just a SWEEP and it's robbing me of alot of power and accuracy.

Thanks for the help guys, I thought breaking 80 was coming up this week, I guess it'll have to wait till next month

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to say you are sweeping is pretty vague, a couple things come to mind off the top of my head would be if you have the ball too far back, you may reverse pivot and scoop a little, or if the ball is too far forward, obviously that could cause a sweep but most people error on the side of too far back. another possible issue is that maybe you have too much forward press at address and that is a complicated explanation. Not loading up could cause it as well, these are a few but put that video on here buddy and we will get you fixed up in no time

also, try not to get to obsessed about one plane or two plane, if you get yourself set up in a GREAT set up position, then you can make YOUR natural swing. Many tour players loook so different but because they most all have a sound set up then this allows the different types of swings to produce similar results

hi shootin4par
you said to mat10 that to much forward press could be a problem, i watch my swing on cam and i tend to forward press to much, what would be the result of doing that, i do press forward to start my swing but i dont feel i move hand forward as much as it looks on cam.
thanks bill

Bill, the amount of foreward press is releative. one thing that comes to mind, if you do too much maybe you will open your shoulders and you know the problems that will cause. but the one I am really talking about is making your swing bottom out before the ball. say you forward press into 10 degrees of forward shaft lean but come into the ball with 3, now you have lost seven degrees of forward shaft lean and what this will do is for that seven degrees which is lost the club head has also lowered. Now if you start out with no shaft lean and come into impact with 3 degrees this will make the club head come up. By adding shaft lean from set up to impact,this club should be a little higher off the ground which will enable to hit down on the ball. Two ways to try this out. One is take a wedge, put ball in middle of the stance, play no forward shaft lean and on the chip just focus on getting the hands ahead at impact, you should get a lot of compression. Another, find fresh grass and at set up with no ball make some divots. First give yourself a lot of forward shaft lean, exagerating always helps to illustrate points, and make a divot and notice where it is at in relation to center of stance. make about five practice swings doing this so you see the pattern, Now start with no forward shaft lean or a touch back if you want and make divots, do five, where were those divots?
try that out and let me know
good luck in the search,
neil

hi neil
yes i try that sound a good visual way of seeing the diffrence.
thanks bill

OKay, Bud. I didn't get obssessed but I definitely tried out the One-Plane approach. For the first couple of tries it was hard to get the arms out of the swing - but eventually the results were pretty good. My ball flight is really "skying" with all my clubs - I only got to try it out on the range, so maybe results will vary on the course, not to metion the wind factor today was about 10mph against me.

Here is my newest swing I just recorded an hour ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwEaiabbh8w

First off, I notice a huge problem with my spine tilt and head movement. My spine tilt raises up as I complete the downswing and my head is moving all over the place. Other than that, I think the swing is on plane - help me out if I'm wrong.

As for the Driver swings...i know you can't see the results but man are the balls flying!! I just bought a new Cleveland Launcher 400 8.5* and even mishits are flying. Really great feeling.

Hopefully I can get more yardage, I would really love to stop skying the ball.

Btw, this is where I got the idea to change from 2P to 1P:

http://www.golfdigest.com/instructio...ingplane4.html

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I am very familiear with his book and i saw him at the golf channel in person, nice guy and jacobson is pretty funny

matt, you have come a long way since the post of your first swing, a job well done!!! I can see why you have shot some good scores. here are some minor adjustments add a VERY SMALL touch of angle between your arms and club shaft. also, notice at address with your iron shot you can see your left arm Under your right arm, if you bend the right elbow in a little you should see a touch of left arm above the right arrm at address, this willl also help get your shoulders close to square, since currently they are open a little too much. Back swing is a little too long, if you do this in a practice swing it is likely that it is longer in a real swing, and you will run the risk of being pulled out of your spine angle. ALso, your imaginary ball position is a little far back. I am always cautions of grip and I cannot see it well in that video, in hogans book he has good pictures, learn his grip, there is NOTHING more important. lastly, hardy says weight favoring balls of feet, well if hogan was one plane, according to hardy, Hogan says weight favors the heels of our feet, I would go with hogan on that one. so to do this you should stick that booty out a little more and can stand up a little straighter.
take care man and I look forward to hearing your scores drop some more, any questions just ask,
neil

thanks shootin, I'll definitely post a video with your tips ASAP.

Some questions though: How would I go about adding more angle between my arms and club shaft?

As for shortening my backswing - it's difficult to change for me. Everytime I've tried to do so the results end up in a jerky rather than smooth transition at the top. I'd love to be able to learn how to though.

So I should play the ball more center? I was hitting a 7iron btw. Everytime I play the ball more foward in my stance the results are those sky shots I was talking about earlier. Could this be because of my overall spine inconsistency?

I ordered Hogan's book yesterday, it should be here sometime next week. I will study everything in it.

Will work on the posture. I've always felt more comfortable being more on my heels, but my only thought that usually that changes my mind is the fact that possibly on the downsing, I'd be too far away from the ball if I stayed on my heels.

Thanks again as always Shootin. Now if only it wasn't 11pm and I could take some quick videos for more critiquing

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btw - would this be a good change in swing idea?

http://www.rotaryswing.com/

I dont want to get into it on certain things because I am trying to be more possitive and focus less on the negative. if you are interested in his swing views I will gladly ship you his hardly used DVD for $30.

did you see the tip on spine angle I posted, check that out. as far as set up, get the arms/club shaft in a straight line and then relax that a little bit and you should add angle. as far as sky shots, maybe you are cupping before cocking, I am sure you have seen me post on this and when you get hogans book learning his waggle will take care of that. spine did not loook that bad to me but then again you were not hitting a balll, practice swing and the real thing may be a different picture all together. as far as balls and heels, try this, stand up and rotate consciously around the balls of the feet, then counsciously around heeels, which feels more in balance?

interesting, a simple waggle can help fix things a bit? good to hear. I'm neve all that aware of whether or not I cock or cup my wrists. Basically I don't want to think of my wrists, tension shows up too easily in my hands and then I just grip that club way too tight.

I'll try the drill and your tips ASAP.

Here's the newest one.

Worked on what you were talking about Shootin. Felt better, I hit a couple of pinecones (almost hit my dog with one of them,lol) and they flew reasonably well - granted there's no way to judge my ball striking ability that way.

What I noticed in this video was that my wrist angle was being released alot sooner than I'd like. I wish there was an easier (non-conciou) way of making sure I don't release my power so early.

And on the last swing with the driver, I tried the Cup wrist *RH drill* but that didn't feel comfortable at all. I'm pretty sure it wasn't done as correct as I wanted though.

Anyway, here's the vid.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFAL1rVjXQE

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