More on driver shoulder turn

Originally Posted by kbp

No problem, jump in!

Yes, fanning is a killer, however, I’m referring to a rotation in the direction opposite to fanning.

Originally Posted by BrianW

"Puts on flame resistant suit and braces for a blast"

What about hitting the ball? Maybe Cmays is correct, there should be a password protected area for "A class" discussion that allows the higher echelons to discuss the complexity of body manipulation at a level the golfing proletariat will not be competent to participate. The rest could just debate basics like making good ball contact, getting it into the hole and how bad we are playing at the moment.

Originally Posted by bulldog2k

LOL! For God's sake don't give me the password to the section entitled, "Beautiful Ball-striking and Mecurial Hitting", or, indeed, the forum, "Shots of longer than 240 yards".

I will be frequenting the "Gradually Improving High 'Cappers Who Wonder If They'll Ever Eradicate The Blow-Outs, And Have Days When They Wonder If Blindfolded Clay Pigeon Shooting Might Be Easier"

Originally Posted by cmays

If you are a right hander, bend the right elbow and have the hand out in the hand shake position, allow the right wrist to hinge. Left Reverse.

Now turn the arm, wrist and hand around into the back swing just as if you had a tennis racket in your hand.

You should notice the left shoulder turning and the left knee turning in.

Go back and pick the right elbow up and there is no turning and most people fall into this trap.

The back elbow can control how we turn in the back swing and it can also turn us in the forward swing forcing the hips to turn. Go from the back swing position to the forward swing. Swing the tennis racket.

Players like Hogan stated they felt the left hip turning. True, but it was from the upper body action.

We always want some tension in the body which provides for coil and torque.

Two basic ways to attack the golf ball.

1. You turn back in the back swing with the toe of the club pointing up which has open the club face, you bring it up in the back swing and then it comes down in the same position and somehow you must then square the club face.
Club face is coming down lofted and you must deloft it.

Even in the 1 Plane Swing/ 45 degree angle, the club face is open somewhat.

2. All other types of swings fall under the Square to Square method.

The club face continues to look at the ball all the way to the top of the back swing, it is in a delofted position. It comes back down in the delofted position until it rotates back up into a lofted position just before impact.
Delofted to lofted.

Square to Square plays like a strong grip on the club and it is good to have the left foot back a little at address except when you curl the fingers like Mike Austin teaches and then he wanted to see the back foot back a little.

Toe Up to Toe Up you fight to square the club face to prevent the ball going to the right.

Square to Square, most of the time the ball is straight, you may hit low.

9 Ball Flights, about 6 ways to hit each, 54 different shots all based on stance, grip, high hands, low hands and where we place the ball in the stance and what position we play from.

Originally Posted by cmays

Yep! Yep!

You can not have a strong grip and swing it back and forth from a square stance and you are learning that.

Take your driver, grip it, hinge the back wrist back and practice coming around with it in the back swing. Then you can swing straight down from a square stance.

Billy Casper, John Jacobs, The not so famous golf-1 teaches ball flight.

I posted Casper's Site in which I have not watch in a long time, but check the lady out (Kami), she may have what you are looking for as far as coming around versus swinging upright.

Here I will just post it:

1. Billy Casper Shot Making Online Golf Training - Lesson Admin

Originally Posted by cmays

Take too strong of a left handed grip and swing the club up and down on an upright plane/2 plane swing w/o changing anything and that is wrong.

You will learn each time you go to the range and yell 4 at the guy who is standing to the right of you.

Go get you a book or video that teaches a certain stance and swing and when you meet a tour player, ask him how important it is to be able to work the ball.

There has been a person that posted, has an instructor and system and when I checked it out, the instructor is working with the feet. Must be a reason for that and why is the student forgetting that information if they have been told about it?